The Dry/Wet feels "wrong" in melda plugins
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- KVRian
- 1297 posts since 23 Sep, 2008 from Germany
Hi folks and Vojtech,
in most Melda Plugins the Dry/Wet seems to be at the wrong position (before the Output gain, so the dry part is also effected by it) in the chain/plugin.
When using the dry/wet, the volume gets quiter while decreasing it and louder when increasing it, why doesn´t it stay the same? This way you always have to use the output afterwards again. Finding the right balance isn´t thst easy and fast.
Take a look at this example how it should be:
Am I wrong?
Thanks and kindly,
Marek
in most Melda Plugins the Dry/Wet seems to be at the wrong position (before the Output gain, so the dry part is also effected by it) in the chain/plugin.
When using the dry/wet, the volume gets quiter while decreasing it and louder when increasing it, why doesn´t it stay the same? This way you always have to use the output afterwards again. Finding the right balance isn´t thst easy and fast.
Take a look at this example how it should be:
Am I wrong?
Thanks and kindly,
Marek
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- KVRist
- 168 posts since 1 Dec, 2020
Dan's videos are great, but in this case his solution isn't solving the root cause problem.
If the wet and dry loudnesses are vastly different, that's a sign to me that too much gain is happening in the processing before it arrives at the wet dry mix stage. With a compressor, for example, a wet that is too loud would mean my makeup gain is too high. If it's an overdrive pedal, my volume knob is set too high. Etc. The master output control allows me to adjust the blended signal level going into the next plugin. If the dry blend happens after the output control, I'm only able to adjust the level of the wet signal going into the next processor, while the dry remains stuck at the same level.
Also, If AGC is enabled, it might not be an issue in the first place.
If the wet and dry loudnesses are vastly different, that's a sign to me that too much gain is happening in the processing before it arrives at the wet dry mix stage. With a compressor, for example, a wet that is too loud would mean my makeup gain is too high. If it's an overdrive pedal, my volume knob is set too high. Etc. The master output control allows me to adjust the blended signal level going into the next plugin. If the dry blend happens after the output control, I'm only able to adjust the level of the wet signal going into the next processor, while the dry remains stuck at the same level.
Also, If AGC is enabled, it might not be an issue in the first place.
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MeldaProduction MeldaProduction https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=176122
- KVRAF
- 14339 posts since 15 Mar, 2008 from Czech republic
It works differently in Melda plugins, depending on the circumstances. But usually you use output gain to match the output loudness with the input, then the dry/wet works well. Simple and just works.
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MeldaProduction MeldaProduction https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=176122
- KVRAF
- 14339 posts since 15 Mar, 2008 from Czech republic
Yeah, MSaturator is one of the unlucky ones made, well, like 14 years ago
, and it's too late to change that. Backwards compatibility is a bitch... But it seems to me the difference in loudness there isn't too big.
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- KVRist
- 168 posts since 1 Dec, 2020
Thank you for respecting backwards compatibility. I had to discontinue using another developers plugins because the updates broke my old sessions. Yes it's annoying, but the alternative is far worse.MeldaProduction wrote: Fri Oct 21, 2022 9:44 am Yeah, MSaturator is one of the unlucky ones made, well, like 14 years ago, and it's too late to change that. Backwards compatibility is a bitch... But it seems to me the difference in loudness there isn't too big.
