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tasmaniandevil · Post by **tasmaniandevil** » Fri Nov 04, 2022 3:16 am

Hello world,

after what feels like an eternity, we finally have some new CLAP betas to share with you today.
What took us so long? Well, mainly the fact that our good old Mac build server died peacefully one afternoon (actually on the very day we had hoped to build this new beta version), and setting up a new server was a bigger challenge than expected.

But we are back up and running now, so here they are.
Besides improved versions of ACE, Diva and Hive, you can enjoy a first peek at Bazille's upcoming CLAP version (we know you've been waiting for that one).

The CLAP plugins shouldn't crash anymore when modulating certain parameters.
Most parameters are now using the CLAP modulation system, others have to use the old way of Bitwig modulation via host automation. CLAP parameter modulation is polyphonic wherever possible.

Bitwig meanwhile fixed the stuck notes when playing on multiple MIDI channels with the CLAP plugin, so be sure to use the latest version 4.4.

Important warning: Please avoid using Bazille's multicore (MC) feature, as there is an issue if parameters are modulated with active MC in the CLAP version.

Downloads:

ACE CLAP public preview 13510 Mac
ACE CLAP public preview 13510 Win
ACE CLAP public preview 13510 Linux

Bazille CLAP public preview 13510 Mac
Bazille CLAP public preview 13510 Win
Bazille CLAP public preview 13510 Linux

Diva CLAP public preview 13510 Mac
Diva CLAP public preview 13510 Win
Diva CLAP public preview 13510 Linux

Hive CLAP public preview 13510 Mac
Hive CLAP public preview 13510 Win
Hive CLAP public preview 13510 Linux

Changes since the last CLAP preview, revision 13207:

* Fixed CLAP ACE/Diva/Hive: Some parameters were not reacting to parameter modulation
* Fixed CLAP ACE/Diva: Crash when trying to modulate glide parameters
* Fixed CLAP Hive: Multiple undo/redo issues in mod assigner and XY section
* Fixed CLAP: Undo/redo wasn't implemented yet for some parameters
* Fixed CLAP: Crash when adjusting certain parameters via high resolution mouse wheel
* Fixed CLAP: Opening plugin GUI was setting focus to previoulsy touched apps (Windows only)
* Fixed CLAP: Copy & paste of module presets wasn't working
* Fixed CLAP: Saving module presets wasn't working
* Fixed CLAP: Multiple issues in connection with using mod assigner drag & drop
* Fixed CLAP: Plugin was listening to CLAP note events, but not to MIDI note events
* Fixed CLAP: stuck notes playing notes on multiple MIDI channels (this has been fixed by Bitwig)

* Fixed: Tuning of a few notes was slightly off (Windows only)
* Fixed: Crash when moving some elements in GUI editor mode
* Fixed Browser: empty description/usage fields not empty in preset inspector
* Fixed Browser: Deleting a folder via Windows Explorer did not update the preset list
* Fixed: Undo saved too many steps when using the mouse wheel in the mod matrix
* Fixed: Undo of modulation source in mod matrix wasn't working
* Fixed: Mod assigner modulation depth could overshoot min/max values
* Fixed: User guide option in u-he menu wasn't working in Logic on M1 Macs
* Fixed: Pro Tools wasn't handing over Alt key to plugin on Windows

* Browser: Description fields character limit doubled from 256 to 512
* Removed dependency on MobileDevice.framework (plugins were no longer working on El Capitan and Sierra after Apple Device Support update)

Known Issues:

* CLAP: Issue with Bazille's multicore button and parameter modulation (don't use the MC feature for now)
* CLAP: Bitwig pitch sliding not working
* CLAP: some parameters will use the old automation modulation method, that's by design (e.g. main output, global fine tune, ...)
* CLAP: Bazille reverb parameters are still using the old automation modulation method (we have to check if we can change that)

As always, please take the usual precautions, back up any important files (presets, preset database, ...), and don't use the betas if you're working on an important project atm.

Let us know if you come across any issues.
Also let us know if you're having fun with the Bazille CLAP version (we want to hear it in action).

Happy physicsing knob tweaking,
Tas

Hanz Meyzer · Post by **Hanz Meyzer** » Fri Nov 04, 2022 4:08 am

OMG Bazille as CLAP, unlimited possibilities!

billcarroll · Post by **billcarroll** » Fri Nov 04, 2022 5:22 am

Excellent. Looks like a Bitwig and u-he weekend.

Funkybot's Evil Twin · Post by **Funkybot's Evil Twin** » Fri Nov 04, 2022 5:39 am

Gentle reminder to sticky/pin this thread.

Thanks for the new betas!

tasmaniandevil · Post by **tasmaniandevil** » Fri Nov 04, 2022 5:56 am

Funkybot's Evil Twin wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 5:39 am Gentle reminder to sticky/pin this thread.

Urs is the only one who can do this, we just need to wait until he's online.

petedako · Post by **petedako** » Fri Nov 04, 2022 6:04 am

YAY!
thank you TAS and U-He

darkinners · Post by **darkinners** » Fri Nov 04, 2022 7:22 am

SaganTech · Post by **SaganTech** » Fri Nov 04, 2022 10:54 am

I only tried with hive so far. While Hive supports CLAP_NOTE_DIALECT_CLAP it does not respond to CLAP_NOTE_EXPRESSION_TUNING. Thus in CLAP_NOTE_DIALECT_CLAP hive, as far as I can tell, cannot be effectively used with a standard MIDI controller's pitch bend wheel. What is the recommended way to use Hive (from the host's perspective) in CLAP_NOTE_DIALECT_CLAP so that it responds to pitch bend and modulation wheel from a standard MIDI controller? The Hive GUI pitch bend wheel is responsive. Hive works perfectly fine with CLAP_EVENT_MIDI dialect.

Sound Author · Post by **Sound Author** » Fri Nov 04, 2022 7:46 pm

Woohoo! The undo/redo bugs were my main concern. I can program in CLAP without anxiety now!

tasmaniandevil · Post by **tasmaniandevil** » Fri Nov 04, 2022 11:54 pm

SaganTech wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 10:54 am I only tried with hive so far. While Hive supports CLAP_NOTE_DIALECT_CLAP it does not respond to CLAP_NOTE_EXPRESSION_TUNING.

Hi Jeremy, I've asked the developers, will let you know asap (might take until Monday, though).

Echoes in the Attic · Post by **Echoes in the Attic** » Sat Nov 05, 2022 6:29 am

Still no pitch slide? Can’t really replace the vst3s until then but glad to see progress.

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Sat Nov 05, 2022 7:11 am

Echoes in the Attic wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 6:29 am Still no pitch slide? Can’t really replace the vst3s until then but glad to see progress.

Unfortunately pitch slide wont be there anytime soon.

Echoes in the Attic · Post by **Echoes in the Attic** » Sat Nov 05, 2022 7:42 am

pdxindy wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 7:11 am
Echoes in the Attic wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 6:29 am Still no pitch slide? Can’t really replace the vst3s until then but glad to see progress.
Unfortunately pitch slide wont be there anytime soon.

Why do you say that? Most of my other CLAPs have fully functioning pitch slide, like Surge, Fluctus, Apricot (all free), and the Tal synths. Not sure about Vital.

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Sat Nov 05, 2022 8:20 am

We have to develop a special module for it, and we have to support NoteIDs.

It’s most likely that we first go back to MIDI only because the refactoring to NoteIDs isn’t anything that happens quickly and without side effects.

Echoes in the Attic · Post by **Echoes in the Attic** » Sat Nov 05, 2022 9:00 am

Urs wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 8:20 am We have to develop a special module for it, and we have to support NoteIDs.

It’s most likely that we first go back to MIDI only because the refactoring to NoteIDs isn’t anything that happens quickly and without side effects.

Ok thanks.

How can we learn more about "Most parameters are now using the CLAP modulation system, others have to use the old way of Bitwig modulation via host automation."

I'm not sure what this new modulation system is, I only know how to assign modulation in Bitwig to the automatable parameter list. Briefly looked around Diva but didn't see anything jump out. Thanks!

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CLAP public preview revision 13510 (ACE, Bazille, Diva, Hive)