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Is REAPER the current best long term choice?
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- KVRAF
- 15517 posts since 13 Oct, 2009
- KVRAF
- 2873 posts since 8 Dec, 2008 from Global Cowboy
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musicproducerdee musicproducerdee https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=478446
- KVRist
- 388 posts since 9 Nov, 2020 from Los Angeles, CA
None of the big name players are going anywhere. Ableton & Logic are everywhere and used on a massive scale, along with FL Studio (in the hip hop community mostly). Steinberg has been around for 30+ years. Others like Bitwig, Studio One are still building up their community/user base, and looks like they are going to be around for a while.
I personally tried Reaper multiple times, it's super lightweight on the resources, which I liked. Apart from that, nothing worked for me. The UI, the menus, the workflow, absolutely nothing. I like applications that are organized and look neat, yet do not restrict your creative workflow. Take Bitwig for example, even the setup menus etc look good, which helps me maintain my creative mindset throught my workflow. Meanwhile, in Reaper, as soon as I click on a menu, it's like I've moved out of my music production system and jumped into Windows 98 to do some app development. I understand Bitwig is themable and practically everything can be themed, but alot of it still cannot, and it's just not the same. Different graphics will always be different, regardless of the color. The only thing I liked about it is the resource consumption.
I personally tried Reaper multiple times, it's super lightweight on the resources, which I liked. Apart from that, nothing worked for me. The UI, the menus, the workflow, absolutely nothing. I like applications that are organized and look neat, yet do not restrict your creative workflow. Take Bitwig for example, even the setup menus etc look good, which helps me maintain my creative mindset throught my workflow. Meanwhile, in Reaper, as soon as I click on a menu, it's like I've moved out of my music production system and jumped into Windows 98 to do some app development. I understand Bitwig is themable and practically everything can be themed, but alot of it still cannot, and it's just not the same. Different graphics will always be different, regardless of the color. The only thing I liked about it is the resource consumption.
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- KVRian
- 696 posts since 24 Sep, 2016
Bitwig isn't themeable IIRC.musicproducerdee wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 9:10 am None of the big name players are going anywhere. Ableton & Logic are everywhere and used on a massive scale, along with FL Studio (in the hip hop community mostly). Steinberg has been around for 30+ years. Others like Bitwig, Studio One are still building up their community/user base, and looks like they are going to be around for a while.
I personally tried Reaper multiple times, it's super lightweight on the resources, which I liked. Apart from that, nothing worked for me. The UI, the menus, the workflow, absolutely nothing. I like applications that are organized and look neat, yet do not restrict your creative workflow. Take Bitwig for example, even the setup menus etc look good, which helps me maintain my creative mindset throught my workflow. Meanwhile, in Reaper, as soon as I click on a menu, it's like I've moved out of my music production system and jumped into Windows 98 to do some app development. I understand Bitwig is themable and practically everything can be themed, but alot of it still cannot, and it's just not the same. Different graphics will always be different, regardless of the color. The only thing I liked about it is the resource consumption.
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- KVRAF
- 3089 posts since 4 May, 2012
Typo. He knows that he loves Reaper as much as Bitwig - hence the unconscious slip.3lu5iv3 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 11:37 amBitwig isn't themeable IIRC.musicproducerdee wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 9:10 am None of the big name players are going anywhere. Ableton & Logic are everywhere and used on a massive scale, along with FL Studio (in the hip hop community mostly). Steinberg has been around for 30+ years. Others like Bitwig, Studio One are still building up their community/user base, and looks like they are going to be around for a while.
I personally tried Reaper multiple times, it's super lightweight on the resources, which I liked. Apart from that, nothing worked for me. The UI, the menus, the workflow, absolutely nothing. I like applications that are organized and look neat, yet do not restrict your creative workflow. Take Bitwig for example, even the setup menus etc look good, which helps me maintain my creative mindset throught my workflow. Meanwhile, in Reaper, as soon as I click on a menu, it's like I've moved out of my music production system and jumped into Windows 98 to do some app development. I understand Bitwig is themable and practically everything can be themed, but alot of it still cannot, and it's just not the same. Different graphics will always be different, regardless of the color. The only thing I liked about it is the resource consumption.
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- KVRAF
- 3069 posts since 6 Dec, 2002 from Ljubljana/ Slovenia
This.musicproducerdee wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 9:10 am
I personally tried Reaper multiple times, it's super lightweight on the resources, which I liked. Apart from that, nothing worked for me. The UI, the menus, the workflow, absolutely nothing. I like applications that are organized and look neat, yet do not restrict your creative workflow. Take Bitwig for example, even the setup menus etc look good, which helps me maintain my creative mindset throught my workflow. Meanwhile, in Reaper, as soon as I click on a menu, it's like I've moved out of my music production system and jumped into Windows 98 to do some app development.
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musicproducerdee musicproducerdee https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=478446
- KVRist
- 388 posts since 9 Nov, 2020 from Los Angeles, CA
I know Bitwig isn't themeable, I'd be happier if it was more themeable like Ableton, but it isn't. But then again, it doesn't look like Windows 98/Reaper, which is absolutely fine by me.3lu5iv3 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 11:37 amBitwig isn't themeable IIRC.musicproducerdee wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 9:10 am None of the big name players are going anywhere. Ableton & Logic are everywhere and used on a massive scale, along with FL Studio (in the hip hop community mostly). Steinberg has been around for 30+ years. Others like Bitwig, Studio One are still building up their community/user base, and looks like they are going to be around for a while.
I personally tried Reaper multiple times, it's super lightweight on the resources, which I liked. Apart from that, nothing worked for me. The UI, the menus, the workflow, absolutely nothing. I like applications that are organized and look neat, yet do not restrict your creative workflow. Take Bitwig for example, even the setup menus etc look good, which helps me maintain my creative mindset throught my workflow. Meanwhile, in Reaper, as soon as I click on a menu, it's like I've moved out of my music production system and jumped into Windows 98 to do some app development. I understand Bitwig is themable and practically everything can be themed, but alot of it still cannot, and it's just not the same. Different graphics will always be different, regardless of the color. The only thing I liked about it is the resource consumption.
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- KVRAF
- 1918 posts since 8 Jan, 2005
That's what I'm trying to say. It feels and looks like it's in a constant alpha build stage.
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musicproducerdee musicproducerdee https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=478446
- KVRist
- 388 posts since 9 Nov, 2020 from Los Angeles, CA
I wish I could, whats not to love? It's priced very affordably. It's super light on resurces. It has an active community. But then it gets in my way of making music and obstructs my creativie mindset, and that I can't have.Unaspected wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 12:06 pmTypo. He knows that he loves Reaper as much as Bitwig - hence the unconscious slip.3lu5iv3 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 11:37 amBitwig isn't themeable IIRC.musicproducerdee wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 9:10 am None of the big name players are going anywhere. Ableton & Logic are everywhere and used on a massive scale, along with FL Studio (in the hip hop community mostly). Steinberg has been around for 30+ years. Others like Bitwig, Studio One are still building up their community/user base, and looks like they are going to be around for a while.
I personally tried Reaper multiple times, it's super lightweight on the resources, which I liked. Apart from that, nothing worked for me. The UI, the menus, the workflow, absolutely nothing. I like applications that are organized and look neat, yet do not restrict your creative workflow. Take Bitwig for example, even the setup menus etc look good, which helps me maintain my creative mindset throught my workflow. Meanwhile, in Reaper, as soon as I click on a menu, it's like I've moved out of my music production system and jumped into Windows 98 to do some app development. I understand Bitwig is themable and practically everything can be themed, but alot of it still cannot, and it's just not the same. Different graphics will always be different, regardless of the color. The only thing I liked about it is the resource consumption.
Ableton Live | Numark Party Mix II | Arturia MINILAB 3
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- KVRAF
- 3089 posts since 4 May, 2012
That's a shame as it's the opposite for me. It's dramatically sped up my workflow - especially with those extensions. Not much requirement for menu diving once things are set up as shortcuts and the initial snow-blindness has passed. Took me a couple of goes before I could use it - had to force myself - so I do understand. Just had to break through the wall or lift the veil.musicproducerdee wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 1:17 pm I wish I could, whats not to love? It's priced very affordably. It's super light on resurces. It has an active community. But then it gets in my way of making music and obstructs my creativie mindset, and that I can't have.
DAW choice is horses for courses though: They'll all get you where you want to but how you arrive will differ.
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- KVRer
- 20 posts since 17 Feb, 2014 from Uk
I'm a Cubase veteran who recently switched to Studio One.I tried Reaper for a few days as it's so versatile.
I like the routing & Open Sound Control , The ability to insert plug in parameters directly in a track & will purchase it in the future.As it's the ideal daw for experienced users who also have third party plug ins.
I think it's main weakness is that the gui ,parts of the menu & it's presentation is polarising especially to beginners.Who will also be exposed to the competing free & lite software packages which are bundled with hardware or the entry level versions.
You can theme & customise many components but some new features can also disrupt the layouts. It's also harder to assist or troubleshoot if you don't know what the user has altered.
This video has a selection of Logic, Bitwig etc themes.
https://youtu.be/NrR8qzwh3nE
I like the routing & Open Sound Control , The ability to insert plug in parameters directly in a track & will purchase it in the future.As it's the ideal daw for experienced users who also have third party plug ins.
I think it's main weakness is that the gui ,parts of the menu & it's presentation is polarising especially to beginners.Who will also be exposed to the competing free & lite software packages which are bundled with hardware or the entry level versions.
You can theme & customise many components but some new features can also disrupt the layouts. It's also harder to assist or troubleshoot if you don't know what the user has altered.
This video has a selection of Logic, Bitwig etc themes.
https://youtu.be/NrR8qzwh3nE
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- KVRist
- 48 posts since 13 Dec, 2021
I have tried a few. For me I bet my money on Cubase. It has some amazing features no other DAWs has. I use reaper occasionally. It’s probably perfectly fine for hobbyists. But for pros that do large commercial projects (movies, orchestration, etc.), I don’t really see reaper as compelling.
- KVRAF
- 8829 posts since 6 Jan, 2017 from Outer Space
Well, I would prefer it over ProTools any time as you can get a ProTools skin for it. And I know ProTools from its debut…
If the only difference between hobbyists and pros is the price they are willing to pay you might be right though…
Its probably better suited for large projects than the so called industry standard… for 90% to 99% off… (consider 8 years of use until you would need a new license with the advantage that you can always use your possibly older version for free…)
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- KVRAF
- 7749 posts since 13 Jan, 2003 from Darkest Kent, UK
Apparently, Reaper is very popular in the gaming and sound effect industries, the sheer amount of scriptability means common procedures are easily automated. It was designed as an efficient audio processing environment after all.
- KVRist
- 485 posts since 13 Aug, 2017
Everytime I see new updates or new version of a DAW, I got excited to see what's new. And then, emm really? Reaper already had that.
And when I tried other DAWs, ohh where's my unique and only-me workflow/custom actions that I used to in Reaper? I can't find it anywhere.
About the UI, yes there are better UI out there but I steal some of other daws looks and implement it in Reaper
And when I tried other DAWs, ohh where's my unique and only-me workflow/custom actions that I used to in Reaper? I can't find it anywhere.
About the UI, yes there are better UI out there but I steal some of other daws looks and implement it in Reaper