For the sake of the experiment: MSEG anyone? Yes, MSEG!

[] Peter:H []

MSEG anyone!?
My take on MSEG in the grid is only a demo with two linear segements. But the approach is like a pattern which you can easily extend to any number of points ... when you have enough patience to wire things up, because ... it's a lot of math modules

In the gif you can see the two linear segments between the points
p1 = (0.10, 0.10)
p2 = (0.25, 0.80)
p3 = (0.50, 0.30)

Base for x and y is always the interval [0, 1.0]

The funny thing is - because the inputs are arbitrary value modules... one can even think about modulating the y values of the points
In the background you see the base phase (purple) where I used transport. but it should work with any phase signal you like as well. Comparing the read line to phase you can see that the segements really start where I defined the points. Outside of 0.10 and 0.50 nothing is defined so my MSEG stays flat.
Anyone interested in the patch?

MSEG Demo animated.gif

Update: Hilarious ... I now have an extension to 4 segements.
And I can even make it into an Oscillator

[Tj Shredder]

Oh yes, I made myself several attempts, which are pretty big. The possibility to modulate the target of a segment is crucial. I actually would be fine with a 3 segment envelope, even a APDSR would be enough, because anything more can be achieved with additional modulation. But its a pain, as we can‘t encapsulate such a patch.
I made a dead simple APDSR in Max/MSP/RNBO with a lowpass and delays. To replicate that was impossible in the Grid. The main reason was that the lowpass can‘t be set below 20 Hz and the Follower and Slope objects as alternatives are pretty limited as well. All these could be enhanced easily for sure… As I mentioned before, there are tons of brickwalls in the Grid…

[xbitz]

IMO still the Curve based one is the user-friendliest

easy to setup easy to modify just ... just not a proper MSEG... but fun

[Tj Shredder]

An envelope is not a complex lfo. It needs to get triggered by a gate. We have nice multi stage lfos in Bitwig but not a multistage envelope generator. It needs to have at least 3 stages attack, sustain and release. The attack is determined by the gate start and velocity, the sustain could be controlled by pressure, and the release by the gate end and release velocity. You could modulate the result further with multistage lfos if you want more segments…

[xbitz]

yepp, this is why I've posted STFU viewtopic.php?p=8591759#p8591759 it's not a native device or a Grid-based something but at least an easy-to-use free one so a warmly welcomed initiative

[Banned]

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[Tj Shredder]

Try it, and share the result if you think its easy.
And could you please ask Deepl or any other AI to translate what you want to say? It can also help to translate our Gibberish into your native language...

[Banned]

..please ask Deepl or any other AI to translate what you want to say? It can also help to translate our Gibberish into your native language...

Man, u want to me share MSEG (it should be in BW Beta now, btw) but I was asking u what shapes r there and u did not reply..
Instead u r sort of bullying here.. I felt almost insulted, so deleted previous post..
Since u already did ADSR in Max, u have to know what shapes it use - so can u share it with us?

I ve already figured it out, but there always will be some minor differences, so I would like to see how close u were.

Also, typical MSEG uses IMHO different shapes than ADSR - it has same shapes like in automation: so it is based only on Power and reversed Power. It does not use Root etc.
If you do not understand it - I uploaded last time project files with also these shapes and also uploaded function grapher file. So if you r lazy to check it out at least stop bitching that u do not get it...
These type of shapes are not well suitable for amp modulation ).

Also u mentioned, that MSEG should have more Releases - but it does not make much sense, what would be release of 2.3.. steps?¨
I think Note-off would be more useful here and for your task some additional Muter would particularly fit the bill more ..

I will share MSEG made in Grid right the way u mention the shapes u ve been using in your envelope project.
But it kind of missing point - u know how to trigger, u know the shapes - so u can make never ending DIY MSEG. Known caveat is - will it sound at least same good as built in one?

Also, I was pointing out, that if you know how to make shapes, you wont be using MSEG much… what would be f. e. Attack, Decay.. values for simple sinh and tanh like in pic bellow?
It would just be more work for worse result...

[Banned]

MSEG anyone!?
My take on MSEG in the grid is only a demo with two linear segements. But the approach is like a pattern which you can easily extend to any number of points ... when you have enough patience to wire things up, because ... it's a lot of math modules

Anyone interested in the patch?

Did u figured out how to bend it? If so, can u briefly mentioned how did u do that ?
I still struggle w/ my Grid Envelope - http://sigsaly.xf.cz/instruments/
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[Banned]

Pd env..
Can probably go in any shapes in curves pics (I finished it today so did not test it).. and mix them or break attack into more points and set more curves .. tough I guess it wont be enough for audio and for that one should use envgen..