So much anxt about the market's various older plugins never being updated, I don't know, but I assumed it's because the main coder(s) moved on, and it's not cost-effective for their replacements to work their way into someone elses code, then also considering if possible future sales would even justify such efforts.
From a pro quality coders perspective, how hard is it to join and extend someone else's prior work?
What are the main variables that are considered?
Cheers
When a biz loses their best coders, what's next for their old code?
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- KVRAF
- 9521 posts since 6 Oct, 2004
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- Beware the Quoth
- 35448 posts since 4 Sep, 2001 from R'lyeh Oceanic Amusement Park and Funfair
why is this being asked in the u-he forum? seems a narrow scope for a question like that.
An idiot on Set Theory:
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
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- KVRAF
- 3229 posts since 10 Nov, 2013 from Germany
Depends. Did he produce spaghetti-code, how well did he documentate and so on.glokraw wrote: Mon Jan 23, 2023 2:43 pm From a pro quality coders perspective, how hard is it to join and extend someone else's prior work?
Concerning u-he: Maybe Urs can give some hints how his developers are being forced to stay in the company...
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- KVRian
- 1119 posts since 4 Jan, 2007
Not U-he related.
It can happen that releasing something new is more profitable on the short term than spending time on maintenance. This is not only a question of devs leaving as I see it.
It can happen that releasing something new is more profitable on the short term than spending time on maintenance. This is not only a question of devs leaving as I see it.
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- addled muppet weed
- 111292 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass
bad references.Chris-S wrote: Mon Jan 23, 2023 3:11 pm
Concerning u-he: Maybe Urs can give some hints how his developers are being forced to stay in the company...
yeah, great coder, im just glad they're leaving, given the whole "ill only come to work if i can wear nothing but a fez" and not to mention the random animal impressions in meetings.
that said, is always first to volunteer for overtime or office tidying.
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 9521 posts since 6 Oct, 2004
There are experts at U-he, and of course they are free to respond or not.whyterabbyt wrote: Mon Jan 23, 2023 2:53 pm why is this being asked in the u-he forum? seems a narrow scope for a question like that.
Why would I ask this out in the peanut gallery? I can google for their diverse
non-expert opinions...
cheers
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- addled muppet weed
- 111292 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass
but then it's asking uhe, to comment on other companies?glokraw wrote: Mon Jan 23, 2023 7:02 pmThere are experts at U-he, and of course they are free to respond or not.whyterabbyt wrote: Mon Jan 23, 2023 2:53 pm why is this being asked in the u-he forum? seems a narrow scope for a question like that.
Why would I ask this out in the peanut gallery? I can google for their diverse
non-expert opinions...
cheers
im not aware of a brain drain at uhe
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- addled muppet weed
- 111292 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass
as a non expert though, id imagine, it's easier for a small company, larger companies with teams on products probably have more turnover, and lots of different coders per product, so untangling it may be worse if the team head leaves?
a smaller company, tends to respect it's staff a little more, as the boss sees them constantly so is part of the team too. this leads to a longer retention for staff, why leave a job for a few more euro/dollar/quiddage when i may also be treated like shite?
a smaller company, tends to respect it's staff a little more, as the boss sees them constantly so is part of the team too. this leads to a longer retention for staff, why leave a job for a few more euro/dollar/quiddage when i may also be treated like shite?
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- KVRAF
- 8037 posts since 28 Dec, 2015 from Atlantis Island
Popcorn available?
https://sonograyn.bandcamp.com/music Experimental Ambient
https://martinjuenke.bandcamp.com/music Alternative Instrumental
https://martinjuenke.bandcamp.com/music Alternative Instrumental
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- addled muppet weed
- 111292 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass
a firm in manc i worked for, had a pass for the imax top tier, we could use any time we wanted. the top bit includes free nachos with cheese, soft drinks, quality street sweets and of course, salty or sweet popcorn.
if you want booze, you gotta pay!
so yes, in some cases, part of the way companies retain staff, can include popcorn.
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- KVRAF
- 8037 posts since 28 Dec, 2015 from Atlantis Island
I was in Manchester roughly 15 years ago the first time, walked down the city center and saw an advertising for topless trampolining. It was a mentally devastating discovery for a continental boy like I was. Never got this picture out of my head!vurt wrote: Mon Jan 23, 2023 9:58 pma firm in manc i worked for, had a pass for the imax top tier, we could use any time we wanted. the top bit includes free nachos with cheese, soft drinks, quality street sweets and of course, salty or sweet popcorn.
if you want booze, you gotta pay!
so yes, in some cases, part of the way companies retain staff, can include popcorn.
https://sonograyn.bandcamp.com/music Experimental Ambient
https://martinjuenke.bandcamp.com/music Alternative Instrumental
https://martinjuenke.bandcamp.com/music Alternative Instrumental
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- KVRAF
- 6210 posts since 25 Dec, 2004
were you picturing Manchester or Womanchester?
sketches... http://soundcloud.com/onesnzeros
some artists i support... https://bandcamp.com/spectraselecta
some artists i support... https://bandcamp.com/spectraselecta
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- Beware the Quoth
- 35448 posts since 4 Sep, 2001 from R'lyeh Oceanic Amusement Park and Funfair
The smartest choice would be asking in the place where the largest number of developers hang out, ie the DSP and plugin developer forum.glokraw wrote: Mon Jan 23, 2023 7:02 pm Why would I ask this out in the peanut gallery? I can google for their diverse
non-expert opinions...
cheers
If that's 'peanut gallery' and 'non-expert opinion' to you, though.... yeah well.
specifically asking about old unmaintained plugins and the like of a company that do maintain all their old products, though?
An idiot on Set Theory:
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
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- u-he
- 30208 posts since 8 Aug, 2002 from Berlin
Well, surely the main problem is when giving new coders the old spaghetti code of the company founder.
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 9521 posts since 6 Oct, 2004
Pretty sure it's better to ask the opinions of successful people...regardless of the topic.whyterabbyt wrote: Tue Jan 24, 2023 11:35 amThe smartest choice would be asking in the place where the largest number of developers hang out, ie the DSP and plugin developer forum.glokraw wrote: Mon Jan 23, 2023 7:02 pm Why would I ask this out in the peanut gallery? I can google for their diverse
non-expert opinions...
cheers
If that's 'peanut gallery' and 'non-expert opinion' to you, though.... yeah well.
specifically asking about old unmaintained plugins and the like of a company that do maintain all their old products, though?
I have no experience with those other developers at kvr to acertain their credibility, and I never post or read those areas, as my time is stretched too thin already. I'm lucky to just plonk and pluk a few moments each day. This was just a simple question in passing. The peanut gallery reference is for the dodgy world outside the sacred bounds of kvr.
Cheers