Hive's Sinus Osc is so quiet ....

[Chris-S]

Compared to the other waveforms and also compared to a Wavetable-Sinus.

Any reason for this?

[Urs]

Every built-in waveform (as opposed to wavetables) is based on the sawtooth oscillator. It's min/max values for instance determine the amplitudes of the square and triangle waveform.

The sine is based on the sawtooth oscillator's fundamental. They actually share the same data for this - the sine oscillator *is* the sawtooth oscillator with an offset into the mipmap tables.

Funnily though, square and triangle have louder fundamentals, which is almost 100% sure an oversight on my side. Using a different metric (RMS?) would probably feel better.

[jnchristp]

Hej,
just recognized the same low volume of the sine inside of Hive as well. In fact all the waves have a big volume-difference in Hive. As this is not "intended", maybe you could change this in an update...
Jan

[Urs]

Hej,
just recognized the same low volume of the sine inside of Hive as well. In fact all the waves have a big volume-difference in Hive. As this is not "intended", maybe you could change this in an update...
Jan

Well, the original intention is equal amplitude of the overall wave, and that is accomplished for saw, triangle and pulses/squares. Sine may be an outlier, but only if the original intention is deemed wrong. Because, as I said, the built-in sine waveform *is* the upper bandlimited version of the sawtooth waveform.

Changing this now imposes a bit of a problem: Thousands of presets will suddenly sound wrong, particularly the ones using the ModMatrix or automation in projects. Therefore, while I can explain it, it's very likely that I can't fix it.

A remedy is very simple and available right now: Just switch to Wavetable, with no wavetable loaded.

[jnchristp]

Okay, thanks for the answer. Wavetables with no wavetable will do...
Cheers
Han