MSF Bug (I Think)
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- KVRAF
- 1759 posts since 11 Nov, 2009 from Northern CA
I was trying to set up a situation in which I have a bank parameter that modulates multiple harmonics in an oscillator. It just was not working, so I tried the trick with a basic single multi-parameter. What I found there (I think) was that if I wanted to modulate harmonic 1, the parameter would modulate harmonic 2. If wishing to modulate harmonic 2, then harmonic 3 would be affected. There was no way to modulate harmonic 1 as far as I could see.
This mis-assignment happened both when I used used a Learn function and when I assigned the target manually. It might even get weirder when using a bank parameter, so if this bug is confirmed, make sure to give the bank parameter scenario a good shakedown.
If anyone can confirm they see this behavior, that would be most appreciated.
This mis-assignment happened both when I used used a Learn function and when I assigned the target manually. It might even get weirder when using a bank parameter, so if this bug is confirmed, make sure to give the bank parameter scenario a good shakedown.
If anyone can confirm they see this behavior, that would be most appreciated.
- KVRist
- 324 posts since 17 Apr, 2013 from Gothenburg, Sweden
Sorry, I found no errors in assigning a multiparameter to any specific harmonic, but noticed something else while testing:
Assigning example:
MP 1 -> harmonic 1
MP 2 -> harmonic 2
MP 3 -> harmonic 3
etc.
When all are down at 0% (via MP) and you start turning up one (any harmonic) the MP just acts as an on/off switch (no volume/max volume). No slow volume increase.
If one (any) multi is up some percentage then you can volume fade in the others.
So volume fade isn't working when modulating a single harmonic's level, while the others are on 0%.
Assigning example:
MP 1 -> harmonic 1
MP 2 -> harmonic 2
MP 3 -> harmonic 3
etc.
When all are down at 0% (via MP) and you start turning up one (any harmonic) the MP just acts as an on/off switch (no volume/max volume). No slow volume increase.
If one (any) multi is up some percentage then you can volume fade in the others.
So volume fade isn't working when modulating a single harmonic's level, while the others are on 0%.
Win 11 | Latest Reaper | MCompleteBundle
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 1759 posts since 11 Nov, 2009 from Northern CA
I'm not at my DAW, so I can't test this. But ... did you notice the Normalize switch on the Advanced panel, which I think is On by default? That might explain the behavior you're seeing.jan-sandahl wrote: Mon Jul 22, 2024 11:10 am When all are down at 0% (via MP) and you start turning up one (any harmonic) the MP just acts as an on/off switch (no volume/max volume). No slow volume increase.
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 1759 posts since 11 Nov, 2009 from Northern CA
I upgraded from 16.10 to 16/11, and the behavior is unchanged. I did notice something else although it's probably incidental. The description of the modulation target is different when using auto-learn vs manual, explicit entry. We see:
Auto-learn:
Generator - Oscillator 1 - Shape - Shape harmonics - Level 2
Manual:
Generator - Oscillator 1 - Shape - Harmonics - Level 2
Auto-learn:
Generator - Oscillator 1 - Shape - Shape harmonics - Level 2
Manual:
Generator - Oscillator 1 - Shape - Harmonics - Level 2
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 1759 posts since 11 Nov, 2009 from Northern CA
First I want to state emphatically that I have not been smoking anything.
I tried to repeat this problem yesterday and it now is behaving as expected. If harmonic 2 is the target, that value of harmonic 2 changes when I tweak the associated MP. I have no idea what's going on here.
Except ... there's also this:
When I target harmonic 1, nothing happens. In fact, if I learn harmonic 1 level, no target line gets added to the MP. In other words, if we have an empty MP and learn harmonic 1 level, we still have an empty MP.
Also, I noticed that although harmonic 1 has no phase parameter, if you add a target manually, we see a phase target along with the level target for harmonic 1. This would seem to be an error.
I tried to repeat this problem yesterday and it now is behaving as expected. If harmonic 2 is the target, that value of harmonic 2 changes when I tweak the associated MP. I have no idea what's going on here.
Except ... there's also this:
When I target harmonic 1, nothing happens. In fact, if I learn harmonic 1 level, no target line gets added to the MP. In other words, if we have an empty MP and learn harmonic 1 level, we still have an empty MP.
Also, I noticed that although harmonic 1 has no phase parameter, if you add a target manually, we see a phase target along with the level target for harmonic 1. This would seem to be an error.
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- KVRAF
- 14325 posts since 15 Mar, 2008 from Czech republic
Hmm, I tested this, all seems fine. Perhaps a screen video? Send it over email please.
