Help - I'm AFRAID of MELDA plugins

[Hexspa]

Knobs everywhere. Knobs and sliders. Folding menus like a roast beef sandwich. I don't know what color to pick, and the manuals are like a choose your own adventure novel. Plus you guys are mean. I'm going home.

[mjudge55]

Can you please put a trigger warning in the title of this thread? Some of us are processing Melda related trauma.

[Hexspa]

Can you please put a trigger warning in the title of this thread? Some of us are processing Melda related trauma.

If you need a safe space, there's always Linux

[MeldaProduction]

[Teksonik]

I'm not afraid of Melda plugins and in fact I like the ones I own. What I hate is the 1.5 Gigs of bloat that's installed even if you only own a few Melda plugins.

That's lazy programming and quite frankly disrespectful to your paying customers.

I just a had a new studio system built and I have yet to instal the Melda plugins I own because I'm trying to keep that system bloat free.

Obviously it wouldn't make sense for me to buy any more of your plugins so your decision to spew hundreds and hundreds of useless files all over our drives just for simple effects plugins can have negative financial consequences for your company.

[mevla]

If you need a safe space, there's always Linux

UNFORTUNATELY. They also invaded Open Source.

They.

[VariKusBrainZ]

I enjoy plugins that make you use your noggin like solving a puzzle. Makes it more satisfying when i make something i like or after fuxking it up finally thru experimentation get where im going

[Hexspa]

I'm not afraid of Melda plugins and in fact I like the ones I own. What I hate is the 1.5 Gigs of bloat that's installed even if you only own a few Melda plugins.

That's lazy programming and quite frankly disrespectful to your paying customers.

I just a had a new studio system built and I have yet to instal the Melda plugins I own because I'm trying to keep that system bloat free.

Obviously it wouldn't make sense for me to buy any more of your plugins so your decision to spew hundreds and hundreds of useless files all over our drives just for simple effects plugins can have negative financial consequences for your company.

I'm not qualified to comment on coding, but I know that IK Multimedia installs all their plugins, which is something I oppose.

Being that I'm a complete bundle licencee, I didn't notice any install bloat. Hopefully you can come to a good resolution regarding the install size.

[Teksonik]

Being that I'm a complete bundle licencee, I didn't notice any install bloat.

Oh you have all the files that someone who only owns one Melda plugin has installed but here's the salient point....all those files are useful to you since you own all the plugins that require those files.

For someone who only owns one Melda plugin, 99% of those files are utterly useless. No one needs presets and support files for plugins they don't own.

Yes, Melda's Installer lets you choose which of his plugins you do or do not install but it still spews all the extra files for the plugins you don't install. Yes IK is another bloatware king but that's irrelevant to the discussion here. If two people commit the same crime it doesn't absolve either one them of that crime.

When called out on the bloat years ago Melda's response was "it's easier for him" which again as I said is lazy programming and disrespectful to his paying customers.

I only own three of his main plugins and the upgraded free bundle so 1.5 gigs and hundreds and hundreds of files that do me no good whatsoever is the textbook definition of Bloat.

As for a good resolution the only proper outcome is for Melda to de-bloat his installation. Only install files for plugins that are installed. Not rocket science.

I still have not installed my Melda plugins on the new system and may never so it would make no sense for me to buy any more of his plugins. As always in any business, actions (or lack thereof) have consequences.

[steve2KVR]

...fwiw...have you tried Waves?.../s~

[mjudge55]

Being that I'm a complete bundle licencee, I didn't notice any install bloat.

Oh you have all the files that someone who only owns one Melda plugin has installed but here's the salient point....all those files are useful to you since you own all the plugins that require those files.

For someone who only owns one Melda plugin, 99% of those files are utterly useless. No one needs presets and support files for plugins they don't own.

Yes, Melda's Installer lets you choose which of his plugins you do or do not install but it still spews all the extra files for the plugins you don't install. Yes IK is another bloatware king but that's irrelevant to the discussion here. If two people commit the same crime it doesn't absolve either one them of that crime.

When called out on the bloat years ago Melda's response was "it's easier for him" which again as I said is lazy programming and disrespectful to his paying customers.

I only own three of his main plugins and the upgraded free bundle so 1.5 gigs and hundreds and hundreds of files that do me no good whatsoever is the textbook definition of Bloat.

As for a good resolution the only proper outcome is for Melda to de-bloat his installation. Only install files for plugins that are installed. Not rocket science.

I still have not installed my Melda plugins on the new system and may never so it would make no sense for me to buy any more of his plugins. As always in any business, actions (or lack thereof) have consequences.

You're absolutely right. I hadn't realized all the crap that got installed on my machine due to my like two paid Melda plugins. Let's fix this, it's totally lame.

[Hexspa]

Being that I'm a complete bundle licencee, I didn't notice any install bloat.

Oh you have all the files that someone who only owns one Melda plugin has installed but here's the salient point....all those files are useful to you since you own all the plugins that require those files.

For someone who only owns one Melda plugin, 99% of those files are utterly useless. No one needs presets and support files for plugins they don't own.

Yes, Melda's Installer lets you choose which of his plugins you do or do not install but it still spews all the extra files for the plugins you don't install. Yes IK is another bloatware king but that's irrelevant to the discussion here. If two people commit the same crime it doesn't absolve either one them of that crime.

When called out on the bloat years ago Melda's response was "it's easier for him" which again as I said is lazy programming and disrespectful to his paying customers.

I only own three of his main plugins and the upgraded free bundle so 1.5 gigs and hundreds and hundreds of files that do me no good whatsoever is the textbook definition of Bloat.

As for a good resolution the only proper outcome is for Melda to de-bloat his installation. Only install files for plugins that are installed. Not rocket science.

I still have not installed my Melda plugins on the new system and may never so it would make no sense for me to buy any more of his plugins. As always in any business, actions (or lack thereof) have consequences.

Teksonik, thanks for your reply. Please know that I was writing to share some of my views that overlap with yours, not to contradict what you are saying. Neither was I seeking to absolve anyone of any crime.

Now I disagree with what you're saying.

First, nobody is committing a crime. I understand that you're using a hyperbolic analogy, but it's out of proportion for the concern here.

Second, you're free to use insulting language like Bloatware King, but know that I do not support that.

Third, I know what the files are for, but thanks for pointing it out.

Fourth, my mention of the IK Multimedia installer is in fact relevant. The reason is that both install more than we want. I was drawing a neutral parallel in order to create a group of examples of a practice that I oppose. Therefore, it's clear that whatever I said about it is pertinent to the discussion at hand, which is your complaint about installation size.

Fifth, do you think that "calling out" Melda entitles you to an immediate resolution to your specifications? It's important that we all recognize that we purchased our licenses as-is. Melda has demos and free versions, right? Or maybe you could've requested a refund. The point is that you calling someone out is as about as significant as me deleting 100 of my posts: it's water under the bridge. Meldaproduction makes the decisions, not you. You may request, but it seems that you'd rather demand. I can tell you that if I was in Vojtech's shoes, I might completely ignore you based on you saying that you called me out. You threw the ball, it's in his court. If you don't like what he did with your ball, them maybe you shouldn't have thrown it!

Where you wish to see disrespect, you will always see it. Someone with that kind of view will never be happy. The Buddha said it:

"'He harmed me, he cheated me,' such a person who harbors these thoughts will never find peace. 'He harmed me, he cheated me,' such a person who does not harbor these thoughts will find peace."

Sixth, where you see lazy programming, others see efficiency. Please refer back to my fifth point which shares the same theme: your view is limited to the dimensions of your skull. You may find others who agree, but then others will disagree. Yet this is not a democracy. Feel free to voice your opinion, but to expect demands to be met is bound to be met with resistance.

Seventh, do your consequences. Those too will have consequences.

I think I'm within my right to point out that nothing in your posts indicate awareness of community, teamwork or personal accountability. This is not to be insulting, but a plain fact of the content of your writing. Perhaps thinking on how we are all atomic particles in a web of customers, developers, and other interested parties may temper your demands.

Why not think of ten things that you can do on your own to get through this?

[Hexspa]

Being that I'm a complete bundle licencee, I didn't notice any install bloat.

Oh you have all the files that someone who only owns one Melda plugin has installed but here's the salient point....all those files are useful to you since you own all the plugins that require those files.

For someone who only owns one Melda plugin, 99% of those files are utterly useless. No one needs presets and support files for plugins they don't own.

Yes, Melda's Installer lets you choose which of his plugins you do or do not install but it still spews all the extra files for the plugins you don't install. Yes IK is another bloatware king but that's irrelevant to the discussion here. If two people commit the same crime it doesn't absolve either one them of that crime.

When called out on the bloat years ago Melda's response was "it's easier for him" which again as I said is lazy programming and disrespectful to his paying customers.

I only own three of his main plugins and the upgraded free bundle so 1.5 gigs and hundreds and hundreds of files that do me no good whatsoever is the textbook definition of Bloat.

As for a good resolution the only proper outcome is for Melda to de-bloat his installation. Only install files for plugins that are installed. Not rocket science.

I still have not installed my Melda plugins on the new system and may never so it would make no sense for me to buy any more of his plugins. As always in any business, actions (or lack thereof) have consequences.

You're absolutely right. I hadn't realized all the crap that got installed on my machine due to my like two paid Melda plugins. Let's fix this, it's totally lame.

Have you tried saying please?

[mjudge55]

Being that I'm a complete bundle licencee, I didn't notice any install bloat.

Oh you have all the files that someone who only owns one Melda plugin has installed but here's the salient point....all those files are useful to you since you own all the plugins that require those files.

For someone who only owns one Melda plugin, 99% of those files are utterly useless. No one needs presets and support files for plugins they don't own.

Yes, Melda's Installer lets you choose which of his plugins you do or do not install but it still spews all the extra files for the plugins you don't install. Yes IK is another bloatware king but that's irrelevant to the discussion here. If two people commit the same crime it doesn't absolve either one them of that crime.

When called out on the bloat years ago Melda's response was "it's easier for him" which again as I said is lazy programming and disrespectful to his paying customers.

I only own three of his main plugins and the upgraded free bundle so 1.5 gigs and hundreds and hundreds of files that do me no good whatsoever is the textbook definition of Bloat.

As for a good resolution the only proper outcome is for Melda to de-bloat his installation. Only install files for plugins that are installed. Not rocket science.

I still have not installed my Melda plugins on the new system and may never so it would make no sense for me to buy any more of his plugins. As always in any business, actions (or lack thereof) have consequences.

You're absolutely right. I hadn't realized all the crap that got installed on my machine due to my like two paid Melda plugins. Let's fix this, it's totally lame.

Have you tried saying please?

That’s fair. Melda, can we please fix this?

[Teksonik]

First, nobody is committing a crime. I understand that you're using a hyperbolic analogy, but it's out of proportion for the concern here.

I used the word crime in the analogy. I did not say what Melda (or IK etc) does is actually a crime. I thought that would have been painfully obvious but I guess not.

Second, you're free to use insulting language like Bloatware King, but know that I do not support that.

I could not possibly care less what you support or not.

Fourth, my mention of the IK Multimedia installer is in fact relevant.

No, it's not. The subject here is what Melda does. What other developers do is irrelevant to this discussion.

Fifth, do you think that "calling out" Melda entitles you to an immediate resolution to your specifications

I called him out on it years ago (2015) so the issue is long past "immediate resolution". That's why I'm back once again to call him out for being lazy and disrespectful to paying customers. Do I have faith he will change? Very little but it's worth giving it another try.

Sixth, where you see lazy programming, others see efficiency.

There is nothing efficient to the end user for a developer to spew files all over their hard drive that serve no purpose to the end user. You're grasping at straws which is what happens when you don't have a cogent argument.

Please refer back to my fifth point which shares the same theme: your view is limited to the dimensions of your skull.

Your view is limited by being little more than a sycophant in blind defence of an issue that should not exist. Capice?

At any rate my posts are aimed at Melda not simping non player characters. Yes you have an equal right to express your opinion. You certainly have every right to be wrong.

Nothing you say will change my opinion or stance so don't waste your breath any further. Go find another cause célèbre.