Tracktion Software

farout · Post by **farout** » Thu Dec 23, 2004 12:33 am

newbie question: why is is that I can't monitor my sound source while I'm recording it? I can't find anything that might be of help, so I thought I would try the forum. I engage my input, press record (but hear nothing), play the geetar a little bit, then playback the track ... that sounds fine. The problem is I can't hear/monitor while I'm recording. any assitance would be greatly appreciated.

JoMal · Post by **JoMal** » Thu Dec 23, 2004 12:43 am

Make sure the "enable end-to-end" button is ticked. That should do it.

J

farout · Post by **farout** » Thu Dec 23, 2004 1:34 am

Boy I really feel like a schmuck!! I thought I had done it with the little yellow button that says "e-to-e" but that wasn't it!!! So I guess I could say that I'm only half way stupid!!

Thanks for your assistance! Happy Holidays!

JoMal · Post by **JoMal** » Thu Dec 23, 2004 3:12 am

Glad to help. I just got help for a problem I was having from someone on this forum so now we're both smarter eh? Happy Holidays to you too.

J

jmacimmedia · Post by **jmacimmedia** » Sat Dec 25, 2004 8:57 pm

JoMal wrote:Make sure the "enable end-to-end" button is ticked. That should do it.

J

I asked this before but no one answered so I'll try again. End-to end seems to let you hear input AND output - hence the slap-back echo.

How do you hear just the input signal? I don't want to process it while recording, I just want to put it down without the annoying echo. Adjusting the latency eases it somewhat (I can get to 6 or so milliseconds but I still hear the echo), but you shouldn't have to resort to that unless you need to hear the processed signal. I can do it in Home Studio (which I'm trying to dump)and I have no audio offset problems in that app.

Just wondering - someone else must have encountered this.

IIRs · Post by **IIRs** » Sat Dec 25, 2004 9:05 pm

Perhaps you have "zero latency" monitoring enabled via your soundcard mixer?

If you turn OFF end to end for your audio input, can you still hear it? If so, you may need to mute that channel in your soundcard mixer app. (what interface are you using btw?)

M'Snah · Post by **M'Snah** » Sat Dec 25, 2004 9:13 pm

jmacimmedia · Post by **jmacimmedia** » Sat Dec 25, 2004 11:03 pm

platinumears wrote:Perhaps you have "zero latency" monitoring enabled via your soundcard mixer?

If you turn OFF end to end for your audio input, can you still hear it? If so, you may need to mute that channel in your soundcard mixer app. (what interface are you using btw?)

If I turn off end to end, I can't hear it. That's the problem. I really don't want to use the end to end but I'd like to hear the input. If I just play in Windows, no Hosts running it sounds fine. As soon as I turn on Tracktion it disappears - until I turn on end to end then it re-appears with a slap back(same with eXT)

In Home Studio it never goes away. I just turn off Home Studio's monitoring function (because it does the same as end to end) and it never seems out of sync when I listen to play back. Works great. No latency issues. I just don't really like Home Studio that much. VST's are a pain.

I assumed this was the normal way of doing things. Apparently not.

I use an Audigy 2 card on a 3Ghz Pentium.

I do like the app and I can live with this but I don't understand why, if it corrects for latency, should you have to deal with it when playing. I can understand it for VST's, processing is inherent. But with a non-processed mic or guitar latency shouldn't be an issue.

On the other hand, this may only make sense to me. Am I missing something technical?

Thanks and Merry Christmas all.

IIRs · Post by **IIRs** » Sat Dec 25, 2004 11:13 pm

jmacimmedia wrote:If I just play in Windows, no Hosts running it sounds fine.

Meaning you hear your audio input from the soundcard outputs? That MUST mean you have that input channel turned up in your audigy mixer: locate that channel & mute it..

Also try turning off "use ASIO direct mode" in T's settings / audio devices page..

jmacimmedia · Post by **jmacimmedia** » Sun Dec 26, 2004 3:14 am

platinumears wrote:
jmacimmedia wrote:If I just play in Windows, no Hosts running it sounds fine.
Meaning you hear your audio input from the soundcard outputs? That MUST mean you have that input channel turned up in your audigy mixer: locate that channel & mute it..

Also try turning off "use ASIO direct mode" in T's settings / audio devices page..

Thanks for your time by the way...

If I mute the input channel then I can't hear anything at all, end to end as well. I don't have ASIO direct mode on.

Thanks again.

IIRs · Post by **IIRs** » Sun Dec 26, 2004 3:26 am

The soundcard input channel should definitely be muted, as you want Tracktion to be in charge of monitoring..

Enable End to End for the input AND the other one by the transport controls, mute the audigy input channel, and route the input through a track (making sure the track is routed to an audio out of course

)

If you hear nothing now something is wrong & I'm stuck..

jmacimmedia · Post by **jmacimmedia** » Sun Dec 26, 2004 6:05 am

platinumears wrote:The soundcard input channel should definitely be muted, as you want Tracktion to be in charge of monitoring..

Enable End to End for the input AND the other one by the transport controls, mute the audigy input channel, and route the input through a track (making sure the track is routed to an audio out of course )

If you hear nothing now something is wrong & I'm stuck..

Thanks for the advice. What I don't understand is - how Traction can hear the input if it's muted at the source?
I'll take your word for it though and maybe try it with different drivers. Thanks again.

IIRs · Post by **IIRs** » Sun Dec 26, 2004 11:48 am

jmacimmedia wrote:Thanks for the advice. What I don't understand is - how Traction can hear the input if it's muted at the source?

When using ASIO drivers Tracktion "takes over" the soundcard: all its inputs are available in T whether muted or not. If you set up monitoring through Tracktion AND through your soundcard mixer, you have actually set up TWO parallel signal paths.. one affected by your ASIO latency, the other not.

Mr. Tingle · Post by **Mr. Tingle** » Sun Dec 26, 2004 11:51 am

Perhaps some details on how your mixer/ audio input/ speakers are setup would be useful here.

For people with a:

sound card (normal) -> computer -> speakers

there is no 'slap back' just a delay depending on the latency.

If you have a sound card or mixer that feeds straight back to the speakers you'll hear the 'slap back'.

jmacimmedia · Post by **jmacimmedia** » Sun Dec 26, 2004 6:18 pm

platinumears wrote:
jmacimmedia wrote:Thanks for the advice. What I don't understand is - how Traction can hear the input if it's muted at the source?
When using ASIO drivers Tracktion "takes over" the soundcard: all its inputs are available in T whether muted or not. If you set up monitoring through Tracktion AND through your soundcard mixer, you have actually set up TWO parallel signal paths.. one affected by your ASIO latency, the other not.

OK I've been messing with this all day. If I mute the inputs I get nothing no matter which driver I use. Which makes sense to me.

I know you guys aren't lying to me so I guess the problem lies somewhere else.

It has once or twice somehow got itself to work as you're saying (can't hear anything until you enable end to end) but the input wasn't muted. But after I saved it and restarted T it was back to input and output at the same time again. Seems erratic.

Anyway, thanks for the help. I'll keep trying.

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