I finally got around to rewiring Live to Tracktion, and I'm actually thinking this will work well for me. Better anyway than a beatslicing plug and I don't have to spend any extra cash, and T will allow me to use plugs much more efficiently. I rewired it on my Powerbook, and it actually didn't slow to a crawl, so I'm fairly stoked. I'm thinking with T's improved midi editor and other niceties, I should be able to use Live to timestretch loops into the proper lengths and then render to audio in T.
Can anyone comment on this setup and give any hints and advice? Thanks
I think I found my timestretch solution :) Live4 slaved to T
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- KVRAF
- 9096 posts since 5 Feb, 2004
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 9096 posts since 5 Feb, 2004
OK, so can you freeze and render rewire tracks? How? I can't tell about render cause all I have is the demo, but freeze doesn't seem immediately possible.
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- KVRian
- 624 posts since 22 Jan, 2003 from USA
I used to do it with T1 and reason all the time, but I haven't touched it for awhile, so I can't tell you how to do it off the cuff.braj wrote:OK, so can you freeze and render rewire tracks? How? I can't tell about render cause all I have is the demo, but freeze doesn't seem immediately possible.
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- KVRAF
- 1615 posts since 28 Mar, 2005
I am not totally sure about re-wire but with melodyne bridge, which is another external synched prog you assign the output of the track you want to another track, place an empty midi clip in the destination track and render that one !
stretching in Live is not so great sounding to my ears tho (better than T anyhow) , and the functionality is good...
stretching in Live is not so great sounding to my ears tho (better than T anyhow) , and the functionality is good...
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- KVRAF
- 7489 posts since 6 Jul, 2004
Hey Braj!
Without checking... but this is how it works when I rewire in Reason:
Yes you can freeze in the normal way
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...but no you can't render
But that was T1, so I'll check this in T2 for you.
I never understood in T1 why I couldn't just render and add a rewire track in the same way as a VST track, but there it is.
Strangely I never tried rewiring in Live 4, so now's the time I guess! You realise of course that in Rewire client mode, Live 4 doesn't show any VST plugins, only its own stuff? So I guess you are using it ONLY for the timestretch in this setup?
on balance I would probably prefer to "export to external audio editor" - Adobe Audition in my case - and timestretch there (better quality result imho).
Without checking... but this is how it works when I rewire in Reason:
Yes you can freeze in the normal way
......but no you can't render
But that was T1, so I'll check this in T2 for you.
I never understood in T1 why I couldn't just render and add a rewire track in the same way as a VST track, but there it is.
Strangely I never tried rewiring in Live 4, so now's the time I guess! You realise of course that in Rewire client mode, Live 4 doesn't show any VST plugins, only its own stuff? So I guess you are using it ONLY for the timestretch in this setup?
on balance I would probably prefer to "export to external audio editor" - Adobe Audition in my case - and timestretch there (better quality result imho).
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 9096 posts since 5 Feb, 2004
I'll have to see how easy it is to render, if it's a pain then maybe it's not that great of an idea. I do wish I could swing Audition right now, but it has the disadvantage of being Windows only. As far as quality, for what I do Live4 is fine, I actually plan on keeping time-stretching to a minimum whenever possible from now on. And hopefully an T update will introduce a better time-stretch. That prospect makes me reluctant to spend extra money on that feature.
I did try freezing a Live rewire track and it didn't work
I'm actually hoping you had that backwards, headquest, since render would be really what I'd want to do.
Also, part of the reason for using Live with T2 is to cut Live's CPU-hungry VST usage, so no VST in rewire is no concern to me.
I did try freezing a Live rewire track and it didn't work
I'm actually hoping you had that backwards, headquest, since render would be really what I'd want to do.Also, part of the reason for using Live with T2 is to cut Live's CPU-hungry VST usage, so no VST in rewire is no concern to me.
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- KVRAF
- 7489 posts since 6 Jul, 2004
If you find a way, please let me know!braj wrote:I'll have to see how easy it is to render, if it's a pain then maybe it's not that great of an idea.
If Adobe ever port to Mac I would be very tempted to make the switch to mac and try out Logic (personal use)/Garageband (educational use). Adobe Audition is a fantastic piece of software and it's one reason for me staying on Windows PC at present.I do wish I could swing Audition right now, but it has the disadvantage of being Windows only.
Indeed!As far as quality, for what I do Live4 is fine, I actually plan on keeping time-stretching to a minimum whenever possible from now on. And hopefully an T update will introduce a better time-stretch. That prospect makes me reluctant to spend extra money on that feature.
That's interesting. Have you tried this with Reason? I'll try with Live later (but I have a few other problems I'm working on at present, notably controller mapping in T2 doesn't recognise my OzonicI did try freezing a Live rewire track and it didn't work
I wish you could render in place,(as in Audition) or at least record the rewire track as audio on a seperate track (as in Live 4), but I just haven't succeeded in finding a way yet.I'm actually hoping you had that backwards, headquest, since render would be really what I'd want to do.
Live's CPU issue has improved here since the 4.1.1 release. But it's still high. It will be interesting to see how P5 v2 compares.Also, part of the reason for using Live with T2 is to cut Live's CPU-hungry VST usage, so no VST in rewire is no concern to me.
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- KVRist
- 92 posts since 28 Feb, 2004
What is the problem with rendering? Just put an empty midi clip on the Track that contains the rewire device and you can render it as much as you like. Or am I misssing something here?
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- KVRAF
- 7489 posts since 6 Jul, 2004
Yeah, we meant stuff recorded/sequenced within the Rewire Client, as opposed to stuff that just uses the Rewire CLient as a synth for stuff sequenced within T.
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- KVRAF
- 3617 posts since 26 Sep, 2003 from Bradford - The Armpit of Britain
dunno how other soundcards operate - but using my pulsar (xtc mode) you can just set the output of the rewire track to one out & then use that out as an in on another track - so that you record any audio coming from the rewire track to the track below. Is that helpful at all?
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- KVRAF
- 7489 posts since 6 Jul, 2004
Could be actually because Imy new audio interface has four audio ins/outs. I'll try it - thanks!
My previous interface was strictly one pair of in/out, so your idea wouldn't cut it.
In my teaching work we use interfaces that are simple stereo too. Is there any other workaround?
Basically I would love it to work in Tracktion the way it does in Audition; there, you can simply set markers, right click on the track lane, select to render to audio from the options given (either a new clip or overwriting the track) and it renders it (at 32-bit) right there.
Tracktion already does just this (although it bounces down to a lower bit-rate ) with VST tracks, but not Rewire. Not sure why. The advantage of Tracktion here though is that you can automate all the VST effects parameters over the track, which you presently can't do in AA (but probably will be able to in v.2, as its a top feature request ). 
My previous interface was strictly one pair of in/out, so your idea wouldn't cut it.
In my teaching work we use interfaces that are simple stereo too. Is there any other workaround?
Basically I would love it to work in Tracktion the way it does in Audition; there, you can simply set markers, right click on the track lane, select to render to audio from the options given (either a new clip or overwriting the track) and it renders it (at 32-bit) right there.
Tracktion already does just this (although it bounces down to a lower bit-rate
) with VST tracks, but not Rewire. Not sure why. The advantage of Tracktion here though is that you can automate all the VST effects parameters over the track, which you presently can't do in AA (but probably will be able to in v.2, as its a top feature request ).
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- KVRAF
- 7489 posts since 6 Jul, 2004
Just reread your post diverdee, and I'm thinking you might mean a mono solution using a stereo pair?
That would be no good though, because most Reason devices give a stereo output, and I wouldn't want to compromise that.
That would be no good though, because most Reason devices give a stereo output, and I wouldn't want to compromise that.
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- KVRAF
- 37476 posts since 14 Sep, 2002 from In teh net
Doesn't ACID 5 have better timestretching than Live 4? Maybe now that can be used as a Rewire slave it's worth a look for use with T2.
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- KVRAF
- 7489 posts since 6 Jul, 2004
Definitely worth a look, i would say. Even though I have Live 4 I'm tempted
But I agree with Braj's point about not wanting to invest in extra software just for the timestretch. I'm sure that T3 will have great timestretching after all the fuss people have made this time!
For anyone who wants to buy a Rewire slave as a partner to Tracktion I would say Live 4 and Acid 5 are both worth a look/demo. Also the new Project 5 v.2 looks like it could be a real winner...
But I agree with Braj's point about not wanting to invest in extra software just for the timestretch. I'm sure that T3 will have great timestretching after all the fuss people have made this time!
For anyone who wants to buy a Rewire slave as a partner to Tracktion I would say Live 4 and Acid 5 are both worth a look/demo. Also the new Project 5 v.2 looks like it could be a real winner...
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- The Teach
- 8273 posts since 23 Jul, 2002 from flatness
bewing77 wrote:What is the problem with rendering? Just put an empty midi clip on the Track that contains the rewire device and you can render it as much as you like. Or am I misssing something here?
should still work ... as a test ive just done it using live4 as a slave to T2 ... no MIDI in T2 at all ... little drumloop sequenced in live4 using the impulse drum sampler ... dummy MIDI clip on the rewire track in T2 ... render track into project ... rendered audio appears in T2 having been sequenced elsewhere ...headquest wrote:Yeah, we meant stuff recorded/sequenced within the Rewire Client, as opposed to stuff that just uses the Rewire CLient as a synth for stuff sequenced within T.
... presumably reason should work the same ???
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