Hi all,
I've been a Tracktion user for quite some time, but I've only used it to make song sketches so far. I've recorded and mixed complete demos with Samplitude Studio in the past, but even though I like Samplitude Studio for its editing capabilities I am actually more impressed with the sound quality of mixing engine in Tracktion. Also my samplitude projects never sounds the same after mixdown. With tracktion, what I hear is what I get.
Anyway, we recently recorded three songs in a high end studio(using pro tools). And the recordings are great sounding. However, our producer only got 16 hours for mixing, and it didn't turn out that great. We can't afford to spend any more money on this recording so we will have to do the mixing ourselves. Since I've been impressed with the Tracktion mixing engine, I thought that it might perhaps be a good idea to use Tracktion instead of Samplitude.
I am a bit worried though that Tracktion might not be sufficient for the project.
I've noticed that sometimes VST settings doesn't get stored. Is there a list of plugins that has this problem (I know edirol orchestration has it)? or has this been fixed in T2?
And also mixing songs with 60 channels in Tracktion might perhaps be a bit troublesome since it doesn't have a traditional mixer?
What do you think, is it worth trying to mix it in Tracktion or should I do it in Samplitude Studio? Or is there some other application that you recommend for mixing?
Thanks for your time
Tracktion sufficient for my project?
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- KVRist
- 474 posts since 1 May, 2005 from Sweden
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- KVRist
- 173 posts since 14 Apr, 2005 from Sweden
I don´t like to be too general when it comes to these things, because in the end it´s only up to what you personally like and prefer. Anyway... I would say that Tracktion is as suitable as any other sequenser for mixing, provided you like the whole idea of Tracktions interface. And that, I think, is something only you yourself can discover by giving it a try...
My personal experience of mixing in Tracktion is that it´s great! I transfered some of my old projects from Cubase when I started to use Tracktion. Most of the projects were about 20-25 tracks. I actually experienced Tracktion to be far superior to Cubase when it comes to mixing, much due to the interface that gives you a clear view of whats going on etc. So my advice... Try it out! Only then you will be able to say whether you like it or not...With Broadcast Wav import it´s easy to transfer big projects. And don´t underestimate the FinalMix plugin, it can do wonders to a mix.
As of the problem with VST-settings, I think it´s a known problem of many sequensers that Edirol Orchestra lose it´s settings when closing a project. I think you have to save the changes you make in the actual plugin in some way... if I remember it right...Final Mix has a "bug" as it changes back to the "Acuma Labs" setting when closing an Edit, but not actually changing back the parameters. Else I haven´t seen this problem with any other VST´s in Tracktion...
My personal experience of mixing in Tracktion is that it´s great! I transfered some of my old projects from Cubase when I started to use Tracktion. Most of the projects were about 20-25 tracks. I actually experienced Tracktion to be far superior to Cubase when it comes to mixing, much due to the interface that gives you a clear view of whats going on etc. So my advice... Try it out! Only then you will be able to say whether you like it or not...With Broadcast Wav import it´s easy to transfer big projects. And don´t underestimate the FinalMix plugin, it can do wonders to a mix.
As of the problem with VST-settings, I think it´s a known problem of many sequensers that Edirol Orchestra lose it´s settings when closing a project. I think you have to save the changes you make in the actual plugin in some way... if I remember it right...Final Mix has a "bug" as it changes back to the "Acuma Labs" setting when closing an Edit, but not actually changing back the parameters. Else I haven´t seen this problem with any other VST´s in Tracktion...
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- KVRAF
- 12977 posts since 29 Sep, 2003 from Ottawa, Canada
The latest Final Mix has this bug cleared up I believe, although as you mention, it was just the 'name' and not really the settings anyhow.
That's T2, though. Not sure if you've upgraded or not. T2 also comes with a few new plug-ins that can help a mix, beyond Final Mix.
That's T2, though. Not sure if you've upgraded or not. T2 also comes with a few new plug-ins that can help a mix, beyond Final Mix.
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- KVRAF
- 3745 posts since 29 Sep, 2002 from Killafornia
You're right. Until recently there was no way a host could save the plug-in info. You have to save the "ensemble" inside the plug-in itlself. And load it every time (which is why I got rid of it a while back) . I think they released an update that should allow you to save settings within the host but I no longer own it so never got a chance to try it.asha wrote:
As of the problem with VST-settings, I think it´s a known problem of many sequensers that Edirol Orchestra lose it´s settings when closing a project.
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- KVRist
- 173 posts since 14 Apr, 2005 from Sweden
Lunch Money: Tried it out and it actually seems to be fixed now in T2 as you say. That´s great! Even if it was a minor issue, it was quite disturbing.
Yes, especially the new Mackie Compressors are really nice! Though not so transparent as I would like when recording acoustic music...But great on beats and bass!
AD80: Ok. That´s good to know! Just tried it out shortly after it was released but now I think theres a lot of better sounding orchestral plugins out there.
Yes, especially the new Mackie Compressors are really nice! Though not so transparent as I would like when recording acoustic music...But great on beats and bass!
AD80: Ok. That´s good to know! Just tried it out shortly after it was released but now I think theres a lot of better sounding orchestral plugins out there.
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- KVRAF
- 3745 posts since 29 Sep, 2002 from Killafornia
If you got some spare cash and you're looking for orchestral sounds, EWQLSO libraries are half off right now. I only got Silver but I'm VERY happy with it. It easily does what the Edirol Plug-in did and sound better IMHO.asha wrote:
AD80: Ok. That´s good to know! Just tried it out shortly after it was released but now I think theres a lot of better sounding orchestral plugins out there.
http://www.soundsonline.com/sophtml/det ... sku=EW-161
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- KVRAF
- 6740 posts since 25 Mar, 2002 from sheffield, england
They can be very transparent if you are careful with the settings: try the soft-knee presets, and experiment with the attack and release times..asha wrote:
Yes, especially the new Mackie Compressors are really nice! Though not so transparent as I would like when recording acoustic music...But great on beats and bass!
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- KVRAF
- 6740 posts since 25 Mar, 2002 from sheffield, england
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- KVRist
- 415 posts since 14 Dec, 2004
Unfortunately, with the number of pretty basic bugs' people have listed on here at an increasing rate...I wouldn't use it extensively. Infact, Ive tried the Demo' its good, but will wait for promises of bug fixes before I take it seriously...
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- KVRAF
- 7489 posts since 6 Jul, 2004
Personally I really like Tracktion for mixing. And I agree with those who have said that the new Mackie plugs are good - I think they are very good indeed.
Having said that, I don't do projects with 60 tracks, and I wonder if the vertical scrolling involved might be a little tiresome? This is where having folder tracks and submixes might help I guess.
I suggest you try it and see how you get along... let us know!
Having said that, I don't do projects with 60 tracks, and I wonder if the vertical scrolling involved might be a little tiresome? This is where having folder tracks and submixes might help I guess.
I suggest you try it and see how you get along... let us know!
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- KVRAF
- 6740 posts since 25 Mar, 2002 from sheffield, england
Tracktion's sub-mixing is the best I've ever come across..headquest wrote: This is where having folder tracks and submixes might help I guess.
Its also extremely stable on my system.
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- KVRAF
- 7489 posts since 6 Jul, 2004
'ears wrote: Tracktion's sub-mixing is the best I've ever come across..
That's why I was recommending it as an option. I'm guessing that Madness was refering to this?Its also extremely stable on my system.
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 98efe7b792
Forwarned is forarmed, as they say
Returning to the main point of the thread though, it's really interesting that Tracktion sounds better than Samplitude to your ears, rainydays, and a real testimony to just how good T2's new 64-bit mixing engine is
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 474 posts since 1 May, 2005 from Sweden
Thanks for all the replies!
I feel a bit more confident in using Tracktion now.
The reason that I'm worried is that I have to set up a temporary mixing environment and get my bandmates together for a long session. So I don't want to find out in the middle of the session that Tracktion can't handle the job and I have to move it over to another application.
But I think I'll set up a samplitude project as well so I have something to fall back on if it goes wrong somehow. Not that I think it will. But just in case.
Rendering flaws isn't a biggie since it can be done anywhere, anytime.
Oh, and a quick unrelated question. Is anyone running Tracktion on Win2003? If so, are there any problems with it?
I feel a bit more confident in using Tracktion now.
The reason that I'm worried is that I have to set up a temporary mixing environment and get my bandmates together for a long session. So I don't want to find out in the middle of the session that Tracktion can't handle the job and I have to move it over to another application.
But I think I'll set up a samplitude project as well so I have something to fall back on if it goes wrong somehow. Not that I think it will. But just in case.
Rendering flaws isn't a biggie since it can be done anywhere, anytime.
Oh, and a quick unrelated question. Is anyone running Tracktion on Win2003? If so, are there any problems with it?
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- KVRist
- 173 posts since 14 Apr, 2005 from Sweden
Thanks! Will try that...'ears wrote:They can be very transparent if you are careful with the settings: try the soft-knee presets, and experiment with the attack and release times..