Miroslav Philharmonik 2

It's a bit early to review it, but I got the request to review one day after my purchase, so here goes:

So far I've used the bright grand piano, and one violin patch.

The violins are more expressive in the track than I thought they would be, and managed to bring life to the chorus of my pop song.

They really shine in the high registers.

As far as the piano, I'm trying to get that bright, Elton John kind of piano sound.

MP bright piano sounds okay, but it's not quite getting the sound I want.

I've tried just about every Kontakt Piano library there is and every piano VST, and nothing has satisfied me..

I probably just need a real piano.

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What Mr. Sauli said, plus a good amount of noisy, poorly played or out of tune samples. Listening to some of those is just embarrassing.

Even at the upgrade price and 50% off ($150) it feels like having been duped; someone who did pay the full price must be hurting something awful. I cannot fathom why someone would ever pay $500 for MP2 when you can get something at least one order of magnitude better, like Hollywood Orchestra or Albion, in that price range.

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Disappointing.

Bought this with upgrade price, but I still feel like ripped off.

Sound

Sounds ok, but original Miroslav Philharmonik really sounds better than this, which is just sad considering it's age. Some good stuff, some mediocre. Lack of round robin is really unforgivable - there are for example lots of staccato patches with round robin of two samples! Or no round robin at all, but up and down bowing as different patches. 1999 called and they want their samples back.

Lots of unusable sounds like prerecorded long legato runs on very limited amount of notes and legato patches that are more like short mouse squeeks (apparently recorded from legato performances) which I have no idea of how they are supposed to be used. Not what you expect from a legato patch considering the competition.

Doesn't have the expressive emotional feeling of original Philharmonik. Combination of generic and general midish with a hint of Miroslav Philharmonik feeling. Not unusable though and amount of different articulations makes it possible to make some really nice sounding stuff with it, but unfortunately...

Usability

Like I said before 1999 called. No modwheel crossfade. pp, mp and ff as different patches and really no way to make them as MIDI modulated crossfaded multi. No usable legato of any kind - no sampled one and no crossfade and sample startpoint one. Only really really crappy samplerate change legato, which doesn't sound good ever. Considering the amount of articulations and subtle differences between them one could probably make really great instrument with the samples if there was some intelligent scripting. In it's current shape MP2 is close to unusable. Not much better than getting the sounds as .wav files.

Summarum

Worth the price when IK eventually sells in group buy for 50 eur, but don't bother before that. Original MP is really better than this. Feels like entry level orchestral instrument sold for a price of AAA one. If they at some point update it with modern playability (modwheel crossfade instead of velocity and different patches), add proper legato patches and quadruple the round robins on short samples it could be worth the asking price.

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I bought Miroslav Philharmonik Orchestra (MPO) twice: once as the limited CE version and then the complete version. This review was originally a thread response, but it's extensive enough to be a review so I decided to post it here.

The obvious difference between the Full and the CD versions of MPO is basically that with the full version you get more of everything: more playing gestures, more ensembles and many unlooped sample sets which often sound better than the looped ones in CE. So the full includes all the CE samples and adds proportionally more. However, CE is still an excellent sampling of the Miroslav sound and is IMO more than enough for a casual user.

In terms of overall quality, this library is somewhere between GPO and EWQLSO in terms of scope, and I support the opinions of many about its warm and lyrical nature. In comparison, I find many sounds in GPO bland, and while EWQLSO is clearly a much broader library, some of the sounds in MPO are surprisingly more compelling. It's almost as if MPO was crafted by a musician while EWQLSO was crafted somewhat more by an engineer. While some of the "warmth" factor can be explained by technical reasons, it's clear that painstaking care was taken in the capture of these samples both in the consistency of the sample to sample recording and in the playing of the instruments, which is often imbued with clearly musical interpretation and sensitivity. But for this reason some will find that many MPO instruments have too much of their own character; in general I like its inherent musicality but sometimes vibratos can be excessive and lead-ins aren't ideal, making some patches less useful in certain contexts.

The strength of this library is definitely the strings and some of the solo instruments. There's a lot more ensemble string variations in the full version. There's also many combination settings of orchestral groups or mixed groups that can be very useful for throwing together quick mockups (an additional collection of very useful Combis is provided by esoundz as a separate download). As usual for a cheaper library, Brass is very acceptable but not great; one glaring omission here is FF sustained Trumpets. The additional instruments like Pianos, Harps, Guitars, Pipe Organs, etc are nice and usable in many contexts but none are spectacular. The choir is definitely dated, and many of the percussion instruments are very usable too although many of them lack the clarity, sparkle and depth of more recently libraries. That's true in general about MPO but again it's also part of its warmth and charm.

As others have noted, the greatest weakness of this library is the lack of any form of key switching. I can imagine cobbling together something in Bidule to do this with multiple MPO instances, but it's not like that out of the box. ***Update: a KVRist pointed me to "Yki's MIDI Channel Keyswitch" (google it) for Cubase and Nuendo: it's a keyswitching MIDI plugin and it works very well with MPO (Thanks Baard!). Make sure you get the extra combis provided by esoundz: the "Multi Setups" are patches with the different instrument articulations already assigned to different channels.

One sore spot for me is the size of the GUI. I'd love to see the sound "tree" much more expanded as I constantly have to scroll to see what's revealed, and the setup and editing controls would be clearer and better organized within their own GUI's, or in larger areas of the main. Another GUI issue is that the "Instrument" column is too narrow to accommodate the complete name of a good number of the patches, forcing you to use the "Unload" button just to read the complete name. Clearly, the GUI could use an update as many users are using larger and higher resolution screens.

Bottom line: it's a good investment as a first orchestral library if you can live without the key switching (or can either use the above solution or DIY your own), and can be a useful addition as a secondary library for the extra color it brings. At this writing MPO Full can be bought for as little as $99. Read more