Phase Distortion Synthesis

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KVRian
1386 posts since 26 Jun, 2002 from London, UK

Post Mon Nov 09, 2015 7:52 am

Ingonator wrote:
BlackWinny wrote: For the "multi-synthesis synths" that I know or that I have heard about, here are some which have PD with absolute certitude (at least as a modulation between two oscillators):
  • Nemesis
  • Saurus
  • Spectral
  • SynthMaster

    And of course those I mentioned before because focused only on PD synthesis.

    And I miss probably some other famous that I've forgotten in this list. I would be not surprised concerning Dune 2, Sylenth 1, one of the DCAM collection (and perhaps Spire and some others...)
Not really sure about many synths in your list, especially those i quoted.

- Nemesis is able to do PD (besides other synthesis methodes like FM and phase modulation) as i mentioned above.
- Saurus should not be able to do any phase distortion
- Spectral is an additive/spectral synth wit hthe ability to do FM or phase moduation but no phase distortion AFAIK.
- Synthmaster offers phase modulation and frequency modulation but no phase distortion AFAIK
- DUNE 2 could do FM but no phase distortion AFAIK
- Sylenth1 should also not do phase distortion, same with Synth Squad (while Cypher could do FM)

One comment on "phase modulation":
Most FM synths including the Yamaha ones did not actually use FM but phase modulation which could be similar but depending on the waveforms used also quite different. Tone2 nemesis with the "NeoFM" synthesis modes offers "real" FM while it also includes a few phase modulation ("PM") modes. The difference of real FM could be noticed when using complex waveforms which do not really work properly with phase modulation.

To avoid some confusion:
FM = Frequency modulation
PM = Phase modulation
PD = Phase distortion
AM = Amplitude modulation



Ingo
DUNE2 can do PD, as well as PM, using audio rate modulation. You just need to have the appropriate wavetables to do this :)
Wavetables for DUNE2/3, Blofeld, IL Harmor, Hive and Serum etc: http://charlesdickens.neocities.org/
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KVRian
845 posts since 24 Jun, 2002 from Berlin

Post Thu Nov 26, 2015 2:21 pm

Krakatau wrote:i'm surprised not seeing virtualCZ on the current list ?

http://www.pluginboutique.com/product/4 ... -VirtualCZ
thanks for the mention. 40% off until 01/12/15

cheers

oli

KVRAF
5665 posts since 15 Sep, 2005 from East Coast of the USA

Post Thu Nov 26, 2015 4:31 pm

hibrasil wrote:
Krakatau wrote:i'm surprised not seeing virtualCZ on the current list ?

http://www.pluginboutique.com/product/4 ... -VirtualCZ
thanks for the mention. 40% off until 01/12/15

cheers

oli
Awesome synth, underrated for sure :)

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KVRAF
2658 posts since 10 Nov, 2013 from Germany

Post Fri Nov 27, 2015 3:50 am

Don't know if mentioned already, but u-he Bazille also can do PD.

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KVRAF
12515 posts since 21 Mar, 2008 from Hannover, Germany

Post Fri Nov 27, 2015 4:35 am

Not a dedicated Phase distortion synth but the wavetable oscillator in UVI Falcon allows doing PD with both wavetables and single waveforms. For doing that there are two dedicated controls for PD mode and PD amount in the wavetable osc module.
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KVRAF
6934 posts since 7 Oct, 2005 from NZ

Post Fri Nov 27, 2015 5:49 am

Chris-S wrote:Don't know if mentioned already, but u-he Bazille also can do PD.
It has been mentioned but it might be the only modular synth that uses PM and PD as its base synthesis. I'm still learning it and man how challenging is it! In very good way, like chess! You need to think how to link the different pieces together. It is a great and very deep synth but at the same time very clear and the oscilloscope view is so helpful to understand PD synthesis. It's really an amazing synth :love: The price also is very low compared to the huge amounts of thoughts put into it 8)
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KVRAF
25857 posts since 20 Jan, 2008 from a star near where you are

Post Thu Jul 14, 2016 4:30 am

Numanoid wrote:NeoGen has got updated to v1.1 which they claim has made big improvements to reduce the CPU use :)
New 64 patch expansions, but no 64 bit version as of yet :(

https://tekit-audio.com/products/expansions/neo-blue/

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Suspended
4029 posts since 22 Mar, 2009 from gent

Post Thu Jul 14, 2016 8:50 am

cytospur wrote:
Ingonator wrote:
BlackWinny wrote: For the "multi-synthesis synths" that I know or that I have heard about, here are some which have PD with absolute certitude (at least as a modulation between two oscillators):
  • Nemesis
  • Saurus
  • Spectral
  • SynthMaster

    And of course those I mentioned before because focused only on PD synthesis.

    And I miss probably some other famous that I've forgotten in this list. I would be not surprised concerning Dune 2, Sylenth 1, one of the DCAM collection (and perhaps Spire and some others...)
Not really sure about many synths in your list, especially those i quoted.

- Nemesis is able to do PD (besides other synthesis methodes like FM and phase modulation) as i mentioned above.
- Saurus should not be able to do any phase distortion
- Spectral is an additive/spectral synth wit hthe ability to do FM or phase moduation but no phase distortion AFAIK.
- Synthmaster offers phase modulation and frequency modulation but no phase distortion AFAIK
- DUNE 2 could do FM but no phase distortion AFAIK
- Sylenth1 should also not do phase distortion, same with Synth Squad (while Cypher could do FM)

One comment on "phase modulation":
Most FM synths including the Yamaha ones did not actually use FM but phase modulation which could be similar but depending on the waveforms used also quite different. Tone2 nemesis with the "NeoFM" synthesis modes offers "real" FM while it also includes a few phase modulation ("PM") modes. The difference of real FM could be noticed when using complex waveforms which do not really work properly with phase modulation.

To avoid some confusion:
FM = Frequency modulation
PM = Phase modulation
PD = Phase distortion
AM = Amplitude modulation



Ingo
DUNE2 can do PD, as well as PM, using audio rate modulation. You just need to have the appropriate wavetables to do this :)
If you're talking about scanning trough a prepared wavetable to achieve the pd effect ,yes .
Otherwise : NO
Phase distortion requires mod.and carr. to be synced to each other , you can't sync 2 osc's in dune 2
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