DIVA Midi Learn bug? OSC2: Detune+Octave buttons are hard-linked

[Lyhrus]

In DIVA's MIDI Learn window the knobs of 2nd oscillator's DETUNE and OCTAVE are linked! Why is this?
Is this a bug? I attached a screenshot showing the two knobs. When I klick on one of them, they are both highlighted.

Best regards, Steffen.

P.S.: This is not due to the altered skin. It is shown on DIVA's original "red wood" as well.

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Win 10, Ableton Live 10, Diva 1.4.4. REV 9707

[Urs]

It's the same parameter, just different knobs. You can MIDI Learn them to two different CCs and have one move in octaves, while the other moves in smaller steps.

[Lyhrus]

Great, Urs. Solved. Thanks for the fast support!

[Lyhrus]

It's the same parameter, just different knobs. You can MIDI Learn them to two different CCs and have one move in octaves, while the other moves in smaller steps.

May I re-open this, please. I quit Midi Learn (see this thread: viewtopic.php?f=31&t=420737) and work on with linking the device's parameters to hardware knobs in Ableton Live via 'Configure‘ instead.
I don't know exactly why you decided to hard-link those two knobs, though I got how it works. But stepping to another octave while fine tuning it at the same time is useless in concert situations. Is there a way / work-around to get those two knobs separated to the parameters box in Ableton Live somehow?

[Lyhrus]

It's the same parameter, just different knobs. You can MIDI Learn them to two different CCs and have one move in octaves, while the other moves in smaller steps.

May I re-open this, please. I quit Midi Learn (see this thread: viewtopic.php?f=31&t=420737) and work on with linking the device's parameters to hardware knobs in Ableton Live via 'Configure‘ instead.
I don't know exactly why you decided to hard-link those two knobs, though I got how it works. But stepping to another octave while fine tuning it at the same time is useless in concert situations. Is there a way / work-around to get those two knobs separated to the parameters box in Ableton Live somehow?

I'll try to fix this outside of DIVA using Midi tools in Ableton Live.

[Urs]

When hosts map MIDI to parameters it's usually done through automatable parameters. So to be precise, it's not MIDI Learn within our plug-ins, it's actually parameter automation. Conceptually automation is traditionally a production technique, not a live performance solution, whereas MIDI is. For a production technique, a single continuous parameter is vastly favourable over separate parameters for octaves, semitones and cents. For live performance or sound design, our built-in MIDI solution works rather well - but only if it's used via MIDI directly, not via any host interface.

[Lyhrus]

When hosts map MIDI to parameters it's usually done through automatable parameters. So to be precise, it's not MIDI Learn within our plug-ins, it's actually parameter automation. Conceptually automation is traditionally a production technique, not a live performance solution, whereas MIDI is. For a production technique, a single continuous parameter is vastly favourable over separate parameters for octaves, semitones and cents. For live performance or sound design, our built-in MIDI solution works rather well - but only if it's used via MIDI directly, not via any host interface.

After dealing some time with these demands, I agree: one has to get clear which item of the chain is responsible best for a certain job. You separated and assigned those different approaches very precisely.