Why is timestretch so important for you people?

[headquest]

But stretching beats causes artefacts in Tracktion too. It simply can't be done. I wish they had simply removed it until they could implement it properly. As it is... it's embarassing.

[Lunch Money]

Right, but I think the point was that ACID's timestretch isn't flawless, either-- it's beat-centric, and will not stretch melodic information in any sort of wonderful-sounding way.

Greg

[Mr. Tingle]

I knew it, this whole time stretch is a red herring

[Dimwit]

Well I can understand how Tracktion's timestretching is inadequate for some of you guys.

Is there another program where you can do it well and then import into Tracktion?

[mandolarian]

T2 has excellent Time Stretch. It's stretched weeks into months, yet it feels like years

[rockstar_not]

Well I can understand how Tracktion's timestretching is inadequate for some of you guys.

Is there another program where you can do it well and then import into Tracktion?

Yes,

ACID
FL
Live
Cakewalk
PT
Logic
Cubase
ReCycle
Shall I continue?

I use ACID - it is not perfect - it will let you go approximately 10% slower than the actual tempo before you start noticing audible artifacts, and about 20% faster without artifacts. This doesn't seem like much until you actually use it - when you find that perfect brushes on conga loop that's just a tad too fast.

But going outside of T to do it is quite a pain. It would be so nice if one could just do it inside like it was advertised to begin with. Then I could let my ancient copy of Acid go (it's version 2).

Or beatslicing - if T had a way to group split clips into a group clip, so that you could loop that grouped clip ( I didn't intend for that to rhyme) - that would work famously but alas, no such luck there either.

-Scott

[Lunch Money]

I used energyXT's beatslicer in a few 'experiments', but never got a whole song going with it because it seemed like a lot of work. (relatively speaking-- compared to simply dropping a clip into a track) Then I realized I still had a copy of Cakewalk Plasma Express 2003, which supports Acidized loops.

So, even though I STILL haven't completed a project using it, the theory is that I can get everything ready in Tracktion using the shabby timestretch as a temporary solution, and then use this outline to put together a drum track in Plasma before getting down to the rest of the recording within Tracktion.

So that means I'm opening a separate project ONLY to line up some drum loops back-to-back before rendering and re-importing into Tracktion. It's not difficult, but it IS something I could imagine being easily integrated right into tracktion using available technologies. Melodic material is a more complicated task.

Greg

[ObsoleteAcc99]

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[red5]

and mackie can afford it

We'll I imagine that that the license cost would be added onto the price of Traction. So the real question is not can mackie afford it, but can we afford it?

I have no feel for how much more it would make T2 cost... $5 or $50?

[SaviorNeeded]

ttoz also wrote: "and bob's your uncle"

Man, that ol' boy gets around, don't he?

[Lunch Money]

Mackie may be investing money into Tracktion's development, but it's still Jules' program.... and changes to the core of it ultimately require HIS code and time spent to implement.

2 years? Jules would have been hard pressed to license it by himself 2 years ago....

ttoz, you've got the right idea (licensing), but I think you've highly oversimplified many aspects of its implementation.

[Leslie]

T2 has excellent Time Stretch. It's stretched weeks into months, yet it feels like years

Nice one mandolarian and very true...