FR - Folder tracks

[C00kie]

Yes, I do understand, Tinkie. There was this fellow named after a supermarket that wanted to perform edits on the group. Once you render a group you can edit it to hell & back. Not optimal ofcoarse, its all work-arounds. More ways to get to Rome, we say...

[Mr. Tingle]

My mistake.

[haydxn]

okay, bump for this to discuss how folder tracks could be implemented, and what we actually want from them.

[diverdee]

personally i'd like folder tracks to work in two ways:
1). Just to be able to grab a bunch of tracks & place them in a folder to clear up screen space.
2). Loop recording (audio & midi) - ability to save incremental takes into a type of folder.

So that would probably be 2 types of folder - personally I would be very happy with just the first, but having the second would be cool I guess.

[Samb]

Yeh, I think it'd be best if they were just kept simple with no function other than to dump some tracks in to tidy up the screen. The way I see it working would be that you would select your tracks and then click on a button in the properties panel to put them in a folder track, they would then be replaced by a single folder track (which would be highlighted in some way so that you knew it was a folder) with just one of the contained tracks displayed. There could then be a button to display a list of the tracks in the folder where you could select to display which specific one you wanted, this would then be displayed (with all its clips, filters etc.) and could be edited. Any edits made would apply just to the selected track, not the whole folder.

[Mr. Tingle]

what you want to do is have a 'hide the tracks that feed into a group track' button in the control panel for a selected group track. That way you have no new features at all. get it?

[igglebop]

Great idea, especially for loop recording. Here's a thought--what if you could expand/compress the folder. When you compress it (so only the folder track is visible), it would render it into a single track to which you could still apply effects and stuff. That'd save LOTS of CPU. Maybe some kind of freeze option for the folder track would work just as well. Either way, go folder tracks!

[Rudy]

hide the tracks that feed into a group track

reads like the most tracktion-like approach to folder tracks to me, i would like to see it this way also (shrink feeding tracks would also be an option)

[jtxx000]

ditto, and anywhere clips are in the sub tracks should me marked on the group (like frozen tracks).

[semiquaver]

I want to use folders to hold muted tracks - alternate takes and sources for comps - that I don't want to see but which I want to remain available and move with the "keeper". I don't know how folders would be best implemented: Jules has surprised me with simple solutions that I had not thought of in the past and I hope he can do it here...

[braj]

Yes, I do understand, Tinkie. There was this fellow named after a supermarket that wanted to perform edits on the group. Once you render a group you can edit it to hell & back. Not optimal ofcoarse, its all work-arounds. More ways to get to Rome, we say...

I think the point of copy/pasting parts of folder tracks vs rendering and tweaking that way is that you could still go change the elements of the folder tracks, but with render you would be limited to that one mix.

[Samb]

I was thinking that the idea I had above (which is basically a rip off of how takes from looped audio recording work in T2) would be able to cope with what semiquaver wants and would work with the idea of valley's in the freeze thread for rendering into a folder as a way of incorporating freezing with a volume filter left untouched - don't know if anyone agrees

[Todd24]

Just the simplest of folders would be great. If i could just stick tracks into a folder track that buses them, and lets you use plugs just like the tracks, would be enough for me.

Anything else is just gravy.

[Samb]

Todd24, I don't know if I explained it well, but my idea wouldn't do that automatically as you might want to put tracks in a folder that you didn't want to bus together. To do this you would shift click the tracks you wanted bussing and then select a destination track for the bus as you do now and then click on the "make a folder for these tracks" button and they would all (including the bus track) be put in the folder. You could then choose for the folder to display the bus track or, if you wanted to edit the individual tracks, one of them. This enables you to edit any track in the folder without having to take it out of the folder and then put it back in, but also allows you to select the bus track to add plugs to the whole lot if that's what you need.

[Todd24]

That could work Samb. Maybe the folder track could just have a little + sign on it so you can open and close it for editing/routing with a single click, and/or an arrow to cycle through the tracks inside for editing/routing