Here's some info about boxed T2 in Europe

[timmyo]

@ timmyo :

You do have an upgrade path that is significantly cheaper than T2 retail though, in that you can use the $20 (10 quid in real money) option.

valley I genuinely don't follow that logic - the T2 eveyone (including Mackie) was talking about was the one advertised on the site with the (admittedly TBC) list of bundled plugs. Any time anyone mooted a plug-free version they were (rightly imo) reminded that to imagine there was such a thing was perhaps a rash assumption : therefore T2=that thing on the Mackie page replete with plugs. That is what I was told I was getting a 'total investment less than etc etc' on. More to the point, plenty of people here recommended others to try the T1 demo and if they liked it get T1 rather than wait as they would be better placed come T2 release.

As for me: I want T2. I need a drum plug. I would like a guitar amp/re-amp plug. There is also something else I want/would like but I don't want to reopen any T2 feature arguments so I'll leave that one.

ALL users were told there was an upgrade/rebate path to T2 but this may yet not be the case. If it turns out that way I can't see any way to dress that up.

[Germ777]

Mackie can't really be held responsible for the vagaries of exchange rates - lets not forget that the current near junk status of the US dollar is something of a freak situation.

Again. It is not the exchange rate. It is the price Mackie distributors place on the product. 1$ is not thesame as 1 Euro but the distributors do exactly that and then add the outrageous taxes and shipping!!!!!
The current near junk status of the Dollar is/was a wise move from the goverment to make USA products more enticing to foreign buyers. Until the current exchange rate. USA products were only bought by USA buyers because it was much more cheaper to buy in European countries like Spain. Now the tables have turned and I applaud the economic powers that work in the USA for that. A very clever maneouver to make the Europeans beleive we are above the USA while it is being counterproductive to our economic system.
The Crux of the matter is that it seems as this was an ill planned strategy from Mackie`s side but we can not say so for sure right now. Only time will tell but the awful part about it is that in the end the one that can be severely hurt is Tracktion not Mackie.
BTW. Anybody here knows if the Tracktion bundled with Spike and other hardware can be upgraded? I wonder if they also fall into the NFR group.
Germ

[audiobot202]

I take it you are refering to this statement:

Many of you have asked “how much will I pay for Tracktion v2”? At this time, we are not prepared to release any specifics on Tracktion v2 pricing. However, we will reward licensed v1.x users by offering a special upgrade path to v2. This special upgrade will equate to a total Tracktion investment that is lower than the online sale price of Tracktion v2. This is our way of thanking you for your ongoing support and for your valuable feedback.

Or am I being too picky?

I think you've got a good point actually. And I don;t think they were organised about it. They just seemed to throw out tidbits to keep us amused while they thought of some way to sell it. Of course, they're still thinking about it...
There's been no effective communication and too much enigma. It's software for crying out loud, just let us know what's going on in good time. That's all we wanted for months ! Cripes. I don't think it's too much to ask really.

[soulata]

Personally, if I wasn't living in the US right now, I'd be taking advantage of the $20 upgrade, not the boxed version.

exactly what I did. happy.

[yaz]

BTW. Anybody here knows if the Tracktion bundled with Spike and other hardware can be upgraded? I wonder if they also fall into the NFR group.
Germ

I think that bundled versions of T1 that came with Mackie products or third-party-products are considered as NFR

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 2&start=15

[valley]

But they CAN be held responsible for sales strategy.

That I wouldn't argue with.

There's never any parity from the retailers.

A lot of that comes down to the retailers though. If people will pay it, the market will charge it. The only way you'll ever change that is to open your own store and sell goods with lower margins until everyone else catches up.

I knew there was a reason we had nice convenient software downloads from digitally aware companies who take their web presence seriously. Dammit.

The problem is, those digitally aware companies need digitally aware customers. The greater majority of Mackie's potential market place is going to buy their stuff at a traditional store, 'cos that's the way they've always done things. Until it becomes obvious that upwards of 60% of the market place can and will buy online, you have to accept that you are merely trying to live ahead of the curve.

It goes without saying, I actually agree with you, but the reality of the situation dictates that we be treated as a minority.

[valley]

Again. It is not the exchange rate. It is the price Mackie distributors place on the product. 1$ is not thesame as 1 Euro but the distributors do exactly that and then add the outrageous taxes and shipping!!!!!

But that's the point. Until a few years ago, the Euro was cheaper than the dollar, and the ideal rate was always considered to be broadly parity. Had we have been having this discussion in say 2001, it would have looked very rosy for Europeans.

The issue for a company that makes a living doing imports or exports is that except for very volatile markets, you can't keep changing the price in relation to every fluctuation in exchange rate. The best you can do is pick a best fit rate based on previous and predicted trends.

Beyond that, dramtic shifts in a currency value, excessive markup by greedy retailers, and foreign sales tax issues are a little bit beyond the power of a company to deal with.

Could Mackie have handled things a little better? Quite probably. I don't know anything about why particular decsions were made, so I don't know whether they had good reasons or not to make the choices they made.

From the outside looking in, it looks a little clumsy.

The current near junk status of the Dollar is/was a wise move from the goverment to make USA products more enticing to foreign buyers.

That's a long discussion, and way off topic - feel free to PM me if you want to carry it on.

[Germ777]

The current near junk status of the Dollar is/was a wise move from the goverment to make USA products more enticing to foreign buyers.

That's a long discussion, and way off topic - feel free to PM me if you want to carry it on.

It would be quite an entertaining one at that, but I just don`t really like forum comunication
It wuld be much more fun to have it over a nice cold beer but I just can´t hop on a plane over to the USA and treat you on one ( I could pick a nice T2box on the way) or you drop over to Spain for that matter.
But if you feel like sharing your point of view on it I could try and keep up with you on it
Germ

[jalapeno]

I take it you are refering to this statement:

Many of you have asked “how much will I pay for Tracktion v2”? At this time, we are not prepared to release any specifics on Tracktion v2 pricing. However, we will reward licensed v1.x users by offering a special upgrade path to v2. This special upgrade will equate to a total Tracktion investment that is lower than the online sale price of Tracktion v2. This is our way of thanking you for your ongoing support and for your valuable feedback.

Or am I being too picky?

No, please pick on.

Unimpressed

[diverdee]

weeeel, at the moment i'm picking my nose, looking for nose gold don't ya know.
mebbe if i find enough i'll go get me the boxed version of T2.

[diverdee]

speaking of noses & this perception of mackie the U.S. company favouring U.S. customers.... is it a local thing?

[ceenda]

speaking of noses & this perception of mackie the U.S. company favouring U.S. customers.... is it a local thing?

"Edward! Edward!"

"Don't worry Tubbs... that rebate won't get far..."

[timmyo]

Edward: Now then, now then, what's all this shouting? We'll have no trouble here . . . .

Tubbs: Edward, Edward, they all want the precious things. He wanted to see inside the box, but I told him, the insides are all wrong.

etc etc. With apologies to the League of Gentlemen.

[diverdee]

Edward: Now then, now then, what's all this shouting? We'll have no trouble here . . . .

Tubbs: Edward, Edward, they all want the precious things. He wanted to see inside the box, but I told him, the insides are all wrong.

etc etc. With apologies to the League of Gentlemen.

timmyo you are one funny f**ker, i've been giggling my tits off at that 'He wanted to see inside the box, but I told him, the insides are all wrong.' bugger me sideways & call me wendy

[jalapeno]

speaking of noses & this perception of mackie the U.S. company favouring U.S. customers.... is it a local thing?

"A LO-cal upgrade for LO-cal people"