My gripes about track freezing

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Braj-- you're so busy always pointing out the negatives of Tracktion that you CAN'T POSSIBLY expect "the Tracktion community" to be a friendly one in the threads that you visit, start, or contribute to.

It's like your friend Bob that's always whining and being gloomy when you go to parties. Eventually, you get sick of Bob and stop inviting him to parties. Bob finally catches on and says, "Gee, I know who my real friends are now," instead of taking responsibility for being a frigging pain in the ass all the time. Don't always be blaming other people for their reactions to you. Take your responsibility sometimes.

Jens-- super-weak... no, extra-weak logic and/or argument. OK, so there's a miniscule amount less CPU being used with a full-edit render. I already admitted that most of us have systems that can handle the other kind of per-track freeze (which you ignored as if I hadn't even said it?). That doesn't change the FACT... FACT that 1 audio file being played back uses less CPU and less HDD (of course, you didn't mention the HDD part, instead focusing in on the CPU) than 24 individual audio files.

I didn't quantify 'how much' less is used. I simply said that it uses less. Which is indisputable, so I don't know why you always bother trying. ;) Your puny Padawan powers of rhetoric are no match for my Jedi powers of logic and scrutiny. :hihi:

Greg
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er, you started it? :s :hihi: ;)

:hug:
Kick, punch, it's all in the mind.

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Lunch Money wrote:---a load of BULLSHIT
You also need to get laid, and as soon as possible.
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haydxn wrote:
:hug:
This is completely platonic, ok?

Here we go... :hug:
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Wow, and my other thread got locked out.

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Oh shite, here we go again. How do I edit that? :help:
Here is my small version:

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Lunch Money wrote:Braj-- you're so busy always pointing out the negatives of Tracktion that you CAN'T POSSIBLY expect "the Tracktion community" to be a friendly one in the threads that you visit, start, or contribute to.
:smack:
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I didn't use the word "bullshit"...? However, if you want to avoid the valid points I made by paraphrasing and using emoticons, that's just fine.

I get laid plenty. I have a serious girlfriend. I routinely have to tell girls that I'm taken. If anything, I need to free up more time in my life by NOT having sex.

I never get why people always say that... "you need to get laid," as if sex is the magical cure for other annoyances in life. ;) Sex or no sex, the fact that you have blinders on and refuse to listen to logic will still annoy me. <chuckle> When you're done getting a boner for the new Live and realize that it will have limitations also, you'll be back to the only semi-bothersome Braj we have come to know and love.

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Sure Greg. You're f**king ridiculous. *edit* How is it a tool like you get's so worked up when someone reports a bug or asks for a new feature? Are you such a fanboy? You really can be lame. I didn't attack T, didn't say I was going to drop it, didn't in any way criticize it. I stopped complaining about all things T a long while ago. Look for any recent comments where I did that, beyond reporting or confirming a bug. My conversation with Haydnx earlier wasn't an attack on T but your little world can't deal with any sort of conversation regarding T unless it is in praise. If T had a dick you'd suck it.
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Sorry, way too harsh, but I'm not gonna edit it cause you should read it anyway.
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You're an idiot.
In order to accomplish what you'd want to do, there would have to be a trade-off:

The way it's implemented now, ALL frozen tracks end up in one file. Hence, no volume/pan, but as a result you TRULY save CPU and HDD usage.

To do it your way, each frozen track would basically have to be a render. Which is fine, and most of us have systems that wouldn't hiccup with a per-track file instead of a "collective" file. It would, however, save LESS CPU and HDD usage, which could theoretically cripple large edits.

Until there's an option on freeze behaviour (picking per-track instead of per-edit) and I HAD to choose one or the other, I'd choose the current implementation because in terms of workarounds it's much easier to use render as a workaround to accomplish the same goal as a per-track freeze than it would be to use render as a workaround to freeze multiple tracks, if you catch my meaning.

Ideally, there would be the option, though.
In case you're too lazy to go to page 1.

Hardy the ravings of a lunatic.

So kindly f**k off. If Live had a dick, YOU would suck it. I'm not a fanboy of Tracktion, I'm a fanboy of logic. I can't stand idly by when logic is being eschewed. THAT is my real flaw, if there's a flaw to be found. It's really irrelevant what the software is. If you were on ProjectGuitar with me, instead of arguing about Tracktion, we'd be arguing about how mounting a humbucker in a ring compared to mounting a humbucker directly to the wood does NOT drastically alter the tone.

I get into debates over there about 'guitar tone voodoo' and I get into debates on the Raw Material Software forum about... surprise surprise... Tracktion. This IS the forum for discussing Tracktion, no?

So until you learn to read people better and assess what you perceive to be their problems better, I'd advise laying off the passing of judgement and getting so riled up. What an asshole. Your debate with haydxn didn't necessarily revolve around mere points, either. You were actively trying to discredit him and his points, instead of at least giving a little bit of a ground. A bit of a tyrant, really. I don't like to see THAT, either.

So, to recap:

1. It's not Tracktion particularly that I champion. It's logic.

2. I'm no rabid defendant. As you can see in my initial post, I summarized WHY you can't have volume/pan (the original poster didn't know the inner workings obviously, which is fine) and why I'd rather have it the way it is. That's all.

3. It seems like you're the one acting ridiculous. Get over it.

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Lunch Money wrote:Braj-- you're so busy always pointing out the negatives of Tracktion that you CAN'T POSSIBLY expect "the Tracktion community" to be a friendly one in the threads that you visit, start, or contribute to.
This is what I'm talking about, and you later comments. For freaking real, dude, I didn't even criticize T and you go off saying how I'm always 'pointing out the negatives in T' and stuff. You're f**king unreal. I called what Haydnx said bullshit, he said I was bullshit. I didn't try and discredit him.

Don't try and act like you are the seat of Logic Itself, "if there's a flaw to be found" you pompous ass. You make some retarded analogy about some guy at a party and act like you're the Teacher of the Year. f**king eh. Get over it yourself.
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Braj, that was in a response you made along the lines of "this is so typical of the Tracktion community" as if we had no right to counter-argue with YOUR statements. It wasn't out of the blue, it was a response to YOU criticising a group of people that a) I like; and b) that I consider myself a part of.

The statement was literally nothing more than you saying, "Jeez, why do you guys act like this?" and me saying, "because you bring it on yourself." Sorry if it touched a nerve, but it wasn't just a random response. It's ironic that the very point I was trying to make, you've proven by dragging it up instead of taking responsibility.

All history aside, in this very thread, independent of any other thread, you brought it on yourself.

What is with the Teacher of the Year comment? What in the heck does that have to do with anything? Logic isn't the domain of teachers... and my penchant for counter-arguments has been around a lot longer than my Bachelor's of Education. Seems more like you're poking around in the dark trying to push a button, and frankly it's not very charitable to TRY pushing someone's buttons. If it happens by accident then fine, but you were looking for that one.

Sorry, no explosion to be had, but play again.

Greg
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Bullshit!
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Taking it offline, greg pm'd me. Sorry for all the bullshit.
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Well, I PM'd you about 3 messages ago, but I just thought you were ignoring it. Ah well. Public catfights it is, then. ;) All over and nobody looking any better for it. C'est la vie, n'est pas?

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