Recording Master Out into a track

[IIRs]

my m-audio card doesn't have a "What You Hear" recording option so far as I know.

Its called something different, but you can still do it. Not knowing which card you have I can't be too specific, but you should have an extra ASIO input pair. eg: my Delta 66 has 6 actual inputs, but (if they are all enabled) 8 inputs show up in Tracktion.. the extra pair is the output of the Delta Monitor Mixer.

If you have the output of this mixer routed to hardware outputs 1&2 (patchbay / router tab), then recording this extra pair is the exact equivalent of recording "what you hear" on your creative card.

[declassified]

Ok folks, I didn't expect replies that fast and I'll tell you what I need it for.

When you sample, you have to mangle sounds beyond recognition. That doesn't mean that you slice the sample in eight slices and rearrange them. What I'm talking about is heavy effects useage, leaving only the very core of the source sample.
For this kind of effect mangling, I'd need about 4 times my current CPU (Centrino 1.6) if I didn't have resampling. Resampling is re-recording the output of a track with many effects on it TO another empty track.
Afterwards, you delete the track with the many effects and continue adding effects on the new track.

Normally, I resample 3-5 times per sample, and rendering and re-importing would make things complicated in the long run, because:
1. It just takes more time than connecting ins and outs
2. It leads to a cluttered hard disk in the long run, because the old resampled audio files that HAVE already been resampled again aren't deleted and remain on the disk.
Live handles this by deleting unused samples when you close the application.

So I see this is rather strange to implement, so I guess I'll just stick to Ableton Live for these kind of things...

[IIRs]

select the track and press the render button..

If you want to delete the old audio straight away, select "render & add", then select the old clip(s) and <CNTRL>+M to delete the clip AND its original source file.. otherwise just hit "render & replace" and carry on (Tracktion has various ways to clean up un-used audio when your HD starts to get full)

[Otterfan]

I've come across a situation when such a facility would be useful.

My bandmate was playing a stream of samples through a supa randomizing slicer that shall remain nameless while I was "replying" to his randomized slices with a guitar line and he was "replying" in turn by changing his stream of samples. Each of our lines was dependant on what the other guy was playing. If we had chosen the record-and-render method, there would have been no give and take: he would have simply recorded his part, and I would have replied to it.

In the end we just killed the output of the guitar track, routed the main outs to Audacity via the soundcard and recorded the sample track that way. Though we found an acceptable workaround, having this option in Tracktion itself would definitely have been easier.

I'm not going to say that this should be a high-priority feature request. It was a pretty odd occurance, and I can't imagine it will come up that much.

[IIRs]

I agree its a valid feature request, and would be useful in a small number of very specific circumstances.. but in declassified's case there already a feature that does what he wants better & faster than the re-record feature he's asking for.. (track render)

[Lunch Money]

Some people are still hesitant to render because they can't believe that everything will turn out exactly the same as it would with realtime recording. I figure declassified could give it a try for a week and see if it doesn't do what he already wants to do, at which point in time if he REALLY feels more comfortable with realtime recording, well, I guess there's nothing anyone can do.

I think the missing 'link' is that he figured you'd have to go through a whole 'export' and then 're-import' set of dialogues, when it's really only a one/two-click deal. Much simpler than re-sampling in realtime.

Greg

[ModuLR]

I would love a track to track resampling option.. one reason being you could use it in combination with loop record. Now that would be awesome! Mash and mangle a loop in realitime... all the while recording it to a loop record clip that can be easily recomposited into something new. Of course, you can render and add now, but it would make it very easy to build variations and what not utilizing the loop record feature... my $.04 - hehe...

[Beno]

These are all good ideas and to be honest, I absolutely think this is a good feature request, Ijust wanted to hear what uses you all came up with. But the best one that I see is being able to record with an effect. Route an input to a track, add a filter to that track, route the track to another, record the second track. Now you've recorded with an effect. And this would allow you to for example record the midi from a keyboard, and the output of a softsynth that it is triggering, at the same time. Cool stuff. This would also be sweet for midi arpegiators where you could record the orignal midi and the arpegiator midi at once too.
Ben

[djsubject]

why not just add a "FAKE ASIO SEND FILTER" then you can drop it on any track (including the master out) that sends to a "FAKE ASIO INPUT"

or has that been sugested before allready?

Subz

[Lunch Money]

Isn't my idea sort of like that, but better?

[djsubject]

Isn't my idea sort of like that, but better?

IMO no

only joking i woke up at 5 & started skipping through threads & posting as if i read them properley

[Lunch Money]

The idea at the bottom of page 1, that is.

[djsubject]

ahh, i did read that one, but prefered my filter idear

but apart from how the sending is sent then we both have the same idea

(except maby i just stole & addapted yours)

[Lunch Money]

It's a good solution, too. They'd both work and both sort of fit the Tracktion... er... paradigm. I just like mine better coz it's mine. Although, I may have subconsciously stolen it from a previous discussion about the same topic.

[djsubject]