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Stupid American Pig · Post by **Stupid American Pig** » Sun Aug 28, 2005 4:13 pm

I changed my work flow back 4 years ago when I wanted to switch to live instruments. Recording audio in FL studio just doesnt do it for me anymore, I gotta use Sonar now...

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Sun Aug 28, 2005 4:44 pm

Stupid American Pig wrote:I changed my work flow back 4 years ago when I wanted to switch to live instruments. Recording audio in FL studio just doesnt do it for me anymore, I gotta use Sonar now...

do you get a lot of dropouts, or is it pretty consistant?

origami · Post by **origami** » Sun Aug 28, 2005 8:32 pm

why doesn't FL do it for you for recording audio? I'm just interested, since I've used FL for everything for 2 years but recently I bought a hardware synth and I was considering whether I needed another host for audio recording tasks or not.

so what are the main reasons why you don't like FL for that and prefer Sonar?
(btw, sonar is my preferred alternative)

thx

Left Headphone · Post by **Left Headphone** » Sun Aug 28, 2005 8:45 pm

1.Mono recording
2.Track Freeze
3.Track folders
4.The Mixer
5.PDC
6.The wave is displayed whilst recording

On my pc, Sonar will drop out when the cpu meter hits 80%...

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Sun Aug 28, 2005 9:57 pm

origami wrote:why doesn't FL do it for you for recording audio? I'm just interested, since I've used FL for everything for 2 years but recently I bought a hardware synth and I was considering whether I needed another host for audio recording tasks or not.

so what are the main reasons why you don't like FL for that and prefer Sonar?
(btw, sonar is my preferred alternative)

thx

The biggest thing missing for recording live is the lack of an auto-punch...at least for me. AA has a much better system though, but it's hard to explain. But it isn't for punching (though the punch in is good)

You can put blocks for parts you want to record (just record or generate dead space). You can start anywhere but it will start recording upon reaching the clip. Of course you can have as many of these clips in the song as you need.

I make tracks for solos , verses, choruses, bridges, intros....whatever. Then I arm all those tracks for recording and it will record the parts on the proper tracks, which is nice...of course you can do just one block in one track at a time as well (and better yet hilite a larger area then the block and loop record, which will auto save multiple takes)...and auto punch naturally still is an option for fixing mistakes in the clips...

Edit

see the tracks are all armed, before these parts were recorded they were dead air blocks...but it one take from the beginning it will record in the blocks.

xander · Post by **xander** » Mon Aug 29, 2005 2:27 am

Hink -- well done mate

Germ777 · Post by **Germ777** » Mon Aug 29, 2005 3:00 am

Fl is cool if you want to record simple audio parts, but as soon as you need more complicated things everything gets more comlpex for you.
For one. You can not record over time changes because of the audio streching capabilities of FL. It is great for other audio mangling uses, but recording over time changes will mess up your tune and you will not be able to mix properly since every time you stop mid song. The audio engine will Strech the audio.
It is weird. You just have to try and see what I mean. Also muting audio (and any channel for that matter) does not work properly.
I think the muting thing is being fixed in FL 6, but the audio handling will stay the same (Gol`s own words)
Still. FL is the best buy I have ever done along with EXT.
Later;

Stupid American Pig · Post by **Stupid American Pig** » Mon Aug 29, 2005 1:07 pm

Hink wrote:
Stupid American Pig wrote:I changed my work flow back 4 years ago when I wanted to switch to live instruments. Recording audio in FL studio just doesnt do it for me anymore, I gotta use Sonar now...
do you get a lot of dropouts, or is it pretty consistant?

Well, the drop outs werent really a problem for me until I got up to the 8-12 track range. I wasnt too upset by this since I dont expect FL to be a multitrack recorder really. I still use it now and again for mangling loops or a change in work flow, but its just not the way I work anymore. I record guitar, bass and piano, then use jamstix for drums. I will say, however, that you can use FL studio to create a groove for Jamstix to follow by feeding a simple kick/snare pattern to the AudioM8 plugin. I have done this pretty successfully. So FL is more of a pre-production tool now for my uses.

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Mon Aug 29, 2005 1:28 pm

Stupid American Pig wrote:
Hink wrote:
Stupid American Pig wrote:I changed my work flow back 4 years ago when I wanted to switch to live instruments. Recording audio in FL studio just doesnt do it for me anymore, I gotta use Sonar now...
do you get a lot of dropouts, or is it pretty consistant?
Well, the drop outs werent really a problem for me until I got up to the 8-12 track range. I wasnt too upset by this since I dont expect FL to be a multitrack recorder really. I still use it now and again for mangling loops or a change in work flow, but its just not the way I work anymore. I record guitar, bass and piano, then use jamstix for drums. I will say, however, that you can use FL studio to create a groove for Jamstix to follow by feeding a simple kick/snare pattern to the AudioM8 plugin. I have done this pretty successfully. So FL is more of a pre-production tool now for my uses.

FL is the same for me, but to be honest 8-12 tracks before dropouts?

That's why I didn't upgrade to sonar, I feared this was still a problem...

Stupid American Pig · Post by **Stupid American Pig** » Mon Aug 29, 2005 3:04 pm

Hink wrote:
Stupid American Pig wrote:
Hink wrote:
Stupid American Pig wrote:I changed my work flow back 4 years ago when I wanted to switch to live instruments. Recording audio in FL studio just doesnt do it for me anymore, I gotta use Sonar now...
do you get a lot of dropouts, or is it pretty consistant?
Well, the drop outs werent really a problem for me until I got up to the 8-12 track range. I wasnt too upset by this since I dont expect FL to be a multitrack recorder really. I still use it now and again for mangling loops or a change in work flow, but its just not the way I work anymore. I record guitar, bass and piano, then use jamstix for drums. I will say, however, that you can use FL studio to create a groove for Jamstix to follow by feeding a simple kick/snare pattern to the AudioM8 plugin. I have done this pretty successfully. So FL is more of a pre-production tool now for my uses.
FL is the same for me, but to be honest 8-12 tracks before dropouts? That's why I didn't upgrade to sonar, I feared this was still a problem...

Naw sonar easily lets me get 60-100 tracks- its FL studio that gives me the dropouts. And by 8-12 tracks I mean 8-12 snippets...

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Mon Aug 29, 2005 3:19 pm

Stupid American Pig wrote:
Hink wrote:
Stupid American Pig wrote:
Hink wrote:
Stupid American Pig wrote:I changed my work flow back 4 years ago when I wanted to switch to live instruments. Recording audio in FL studio just doesnt do it for me anymore, I gotta use Sonar now...
do you get a lot of dropouts, or is it pretty consistant?
Well, the drop outs werent really a problem for me until I got up to the 8-12 track range. I wasnt too upset by this since I dont expect FL to be a multitrack recorder really. I still use it now and again for mangling loops or a change in work flow, but its just not the way I work anymore. I record guitar, bass and piano, then use jamstix for drums. I will say, however, that you can use FL studio to create a groove for Jamstix to follow by feeding a simple kick/snare pattern to the AudioM8 plugin. I have done this pretty successfully. So FL is more of a pre-production tool now for my uses.
FL is the same for me, but to be honest 8-12 tracks before dropouts? That's why I didn't upgrade to sonar, I feared this was still a problem...
Naw sonar easily lets me get 60-100 tracks- its FL studio that gives me the dropouts. And by 8-12 tracks I mean 8-12 snippets...

oh okay...I see...

I've never used that many audio tracks in FL...

Mighty_Hero · Post by **Mighty_Hero** » Mon Aug 29, 2005 3:24 pm

I think that fl studio is going to continue to get better, and for that reason I am not switching ever.
You can compose in studio professionally, and imho easily.
Yes the audio recording could be "better" but I have no problems recording my hardware synths through studio.

xander · Post by **xander** » Mon Aug 29, 2005 3:27 pm

Stupid American Pig wrote:
Naw sonar easily lets me get 60-100 tracks- its FL studio that gives me the dropouts. And by 8-12 tracks I mean 8-12 snippets...

Wow! That's a lot of tracks!

Do you really use 60 to 100 tracks of audio running simultaneously in Sonar? Amazing!

When I used Sonar 3, I couldn't get more than 12 audio tracks to run reliably before my CPU (P4PE 3GHz) hurled the big whammy!

Stupid American Pig · Post by **Stupid American Pig** » Mon Aug 29, 2005 3:31 pm

I have only used that many a few times for a friends project. I can get by using 24 tracks or so...

xander · Post by **xander** » Mon Aug 29, 2005 5:11 pm

Yeah -- I heard of some movie studio cats using upwards of 70 tracks or so for various SFX like fight scenes where you have lots of breaking glass and ambient noises, punches to the jaw and gut, whatever. But even when you record a symphony there are usually only 30 different audio feeds, so it's far from usual to need such unless you work in a heavy production house. Still, I guess some modern composers sample everything and want to shuttle/jog the various tracks here and there to see where they best fit before committing them to a mix down, etc. I reckon if I ever needed to wrap my poor head around more than 30 tracks in one go, I'd go bonkers.

Need to move on from FL Studio 5.02