Automation or gremlins? I didn't record any automation....

[kenjkelly]

This is weird. I've been using T2 for a few months without this happening:
I created new project/new edit and imported 16 audio tracks though sound card. I wanted to start the song with a chorus so I copied/insert pasted a chorus section to all 16 tracks (Now each track has two clips).

Now it's time to set the PAN and VOLUME for some of the tracks. Some tracks' pan/volume filters allowed me to set pan/volume, other pan/volumes did not move. I then saw that the automation PLAY button was on even though I didn't put it on (intentionally?).

I found that the tracks I could adjust, when the auto-play button was on, did not have any edit points selected BUT the other tracks had Pan or Volume points selected. I did not add those points. Coincidntally those points were exactly where the two clips met. I went thought each track "select all clips on this track" and "delete points from curve" for both Pan and volume. Some of the other filters (compresors) had to be cleared later.

SO: I am confused about automation. I though those points would only be set when I either manually add them OR I press automation-record and vary the filter during playback. Does activating automation-play set points? How did they get set?

Why this is important: I use master volume automation to fade in-out. So the automation-play button will have to be turned ON, which seems to enable all auomation parameters even if I don't want to use them (I didn't enable any particular filter for automation but found them locked to undesirable settings (until I "deleted points from curve" on them).

Any ideas?

[P.T.]

I've had cc controller data and clip program changes show up mysteriously, but never track automation.

[djsubject]

you diddint have the red "A" armed (to the left of the play button) did you?

some times this has been on & i didint turn it on (must have hit the shortcut key by mistake) maby that happend & it recorded some of your paramater movements

Subz

[Beno]

Yeah that was what I was thinking. The only reason you should have automation on a curve is if you recorded it (the red record automation button next to the automation playback button), or you manually added nodes to a track. So I would suspect as Subz said, maybe you accidentally hit the key command to record some automation. Now thats not to rule out that maybe you found a strange bug that added automation on its own, but I have never heard of anything like that before and automation has been around and unchanged for quite a while.
Ben

[kenjkelly]

Thanks Folks,
I am using a wireless keyboard and mouse. I just had a problem where the CTRL-break was not sent to the PC so every key I touched was CTRL-key (the CTRL key was stuck on). Maybe a similar wireless keyboard signal caused automation record to be put ON/OFF without my knowledge? Since the set points are exactly at the junction of the copy/paste I suspect it happened during that operation.

So I guess the verdict will be wireless keyboard Gremlins.

Thanks,
Ken

[koolkeys]

I hate those wireless keyboard gremlins. Especially the ones that just decide for a 5 minute period it won't let you type a certain letter, or use caps lock. But the convenience is worth it. Darn gremlins, trying to ruin my day.

Koolkeys

[nis]

Ken, did you use 'insert space in the marked region' before copying the clips? If so, it sounds like your problem is similar to the one I mentioned in this thread:

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=102215

[kenjkelly]

Wow. That does sound exactly like my problem where all automation including the filters had set points at the paste point. To adjust, for example, the Mid EQ I have to clear the set points for the Q, the freq and the gain. I had a litle trouble pasting (once overdubbing the existing clips, once creating an equal number of new tracks). So, after I copied a marked region, I had manually moved the clips way to the right, pasted in the region, then moved the clips back to the left to join the pasted section. I was pasting the region to the beginning of the file (I had decided to start the song with an accappella version of the chorus).

[nis]

I have done some research last night and it seems to be exactly the same problem, but I only get when I use the function 'delete marked region and close the gaps'. When I use that function, Tracktion inserts automation points for every single filter parameter in the edit. This makes sense for parameters that already have automation, but not for other parameters, in fact it is very annoying because I have to remove al these points by hand, as Ken described above. So, I guess this is an official bug report then, does anyone else get this?

Nis

[dajolo69]

The same thing has happened to me. I try to mix during playback and the volume sliders won't move. Turns out I have automation on those tracks even though I didn't arm them purposely. How do you delete all automation from the tracks? Can you only delete points from the curve?

[IIRs]

You can delete all points from a curve (select the curve and check the properties panel) but you might find it quicker to delete the filters and re-insert fresh versions, especially if you have complex VSTs with loads of parameters. Don't forget to save presets first..

[DWS]

The same thing has happened to me. I try to mix during playback and the volume sliders won't move. Turns out I have automation on those tracks even though I didn't arm them purposely. How do you delete all automation from the tracks? Can you only delete points from the curve?

Same for me. I wish you could start Tracktion without the Green Automation button on. I never use automation and would like to keep off by default. - s

[pHz]

jules / mackie ARE aware of this issue BTW ...

slainte rob

[nis]

You can delete all points from a curve (select the curve and check the properties panel) but you might find it quicker to delete the filters and re-insert fresh versions, especially if you have complex VSTs with loads of parameters. Don't forget to save presets first..

There is a quicker way: right-click the filter and select 'delete all automation for this filter' (or something like that, I don't remember the exact command). Of course, all automation that you recorded will also be deleted.

nis