Koolkeys
hmmm...
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- KVRAF
- 16154 posts since 2 Dec, 2003 from Nashville, TN
Sorry bchamp,my post was made during yours. Thanks for your second post. And my frustrations are general, and weren't directed at you.
Koolkeys
Koolkeys
My host is better than your host
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- KVRAF
- 12977 posts since 29 Sep, 2003 from Ottawa, Canada
Wow, that's not much at all! I thought you had REAL bugs. <chuckle> Just teasing. Here are my responses, some of which aren't informed by experience. But I figure, since I asked, I should at least respond as best I can:
Now, that doesn't mean that Tracktion's NOT at fault, I just mean that I don't know of it as a known bug because I don't follow the Mac threads very carefully. It's not come up in the PC threads. Perhaps it's already been trouble-shot and T has been found to be the culprit after all. I'd have to see the threads. But without knowing for sure, it's still hard for me to call it a 'bug' because I'm a stubborn bastard and without the evidence, I'd be more inclined to call it an "issue". Are all/most other Mac users having this same issue, and with a variety of plug-ins?
Not the kind of bug that crashes the program, though, which is part of the reason I panic when people start screaming 'bug'. I worry that potential newcomers to the world of Tracktion will think that it's crashing on them.
In the view mode where you have to drag the icon, I can see how grabbing might get tricky when the left gets cluttered, but I doubt that's what you're referring to.
If, on the other hand, you're in 'per-track input' mode, you right-click on the input area, CLEARLY have "Analog Input 1" highlighted when you release the mouse, and "Analog Input 5" appears instead, then I'd agree that it's a bug. Is that what's happening?
I'll have to take your word for it. If a clearly muted track is clearly playing when it's not supposed to, that's gotta be a bug. Again, never experienced it myself, but if it happened to me, I'd call it a "bug", too. Thankfully not a bug that crashes T, but it would still be annoying.
Tracktion defaults to linear, I THINK. I've never actually known, but almost all of my plug-ins are linear so I just assumed. Anyhow, it's neither here nor there if the behaviour you're experiencing is simply 'weird jerkiness' and not unexpected 'circular' vs. 'linear' behaviour.
I still hesitate to call it a definitive 'Tracktion Bug' based on the knowledge I have (which is very little). It strikes me as something that could also be the plug-in designers. IK have garnered a reputation for some flaky releases, though I have to admit that ST2 has worked pretty great for me.
I'd love to be able to resize and manipulate that left column, too.
There may be a few more, but these are the worst offenders at the moment.
Cheers for sharing... at least it satisfies my curiousity, even if I couldn't be helpful. I'd need more information about ALL of those (except #5) to know for sure if they're bugs, though. That's just me, and it might be semantics. The fact is that to you, they're "issues that are getting on my nerves" regardless of whose fault they are. But from my perspective (as a T "loyalist") the word "bug" gets used far too frequently, and I get touchy when it gets used for issues that aren't clearly identifiable as Tracktion bugs.
Take care,
Greg
I thought you had REAL bugs. <chuckle> Just teasing. Here are my responses, some of which aren't informed by experience. But I figure, since I asked, I should at least respond as best I can:You might be right about the Mac thing, because I haven't experienced Plug-in GUI issues on the PC. Any GUI issues I've encountered have been edit-view slowdowns (at the time, it was specifically having a MIDI clip zoomed in horizontally and vertically), and those got resolved around the time of the release of 2.0.1.3, so I'm smoothly sailing now with nary a glitch. It's worth noting that this issue would have to be trouble-shot in conjunction with the plug-in makers. What I mean is that if, for example, you had huge faith in Tracktion but not much in BBE, you would likely be more inclined to write to THEM and say, "Your GUI keeps crapping out on me! What gives?" Sometimes, in the combination of plug-in meets host, it's tricky to determine which is to blame. I know that at BBA, when we have issues with Fruity (which happens a LOT), we still fix our plug-in rather than get Fruity to fix their issues.bchamp wrote:1.) GUI problems, especially with various plugins. Minimonsta occasionally has a corrupted GUI. I have also seen this with BBE Sonic Maximizer...the graphics get really messed up(blocks around the knobs). Audio-wise, they work fine.
Now, that doesn't mean that Tracktion's NOT at fault, I just mean that I don't know of it as a known bug because I don't follow the Mac threads very carefully. It's not come up in the PC threads. Perhaps it's already been trouble-shot and T has been found to be the culprit after all. I'd have to see the threads. But without knowing for sure, it's still hard for me to call it a 'bug' because I'm a stubborn bastard and without the evidence, I'd be more inclined to call it an "issue". Are all/most other Mac users having this same issue, and with a variety of plug-ins?
That's a weird one, and again, one I've not heard of. I know that in 'per-track input view', when you delete several tracks that have input devices on them (ie. not detaching them first), weirdness occurs. This is a bug.2.) I've had input select issues. For example, I select MIDI input for a particular track, and an audio input gets selected instead. Sometimes it takes a few tries to actually select the intended input.
Not the kind of bug that crashes the program, though, which is part of the reason I panic when people start screaming 'bug'. I worry that potential newcomers to the world of Tracktion will think that it's crashing on them.In the view mode where you have to drag the icon, I can see how grabbing might get tricky when the left gets cluttered, but I doubt that's what you're referring to.
If, on the other hand, you're in 'per-track input' mode, you right-click on the input area, CLEARLY have "Analog Input 1" highlighted when you release the mouse, and "Analog Input 5" appears instead, then I'd agree that it's a bug. Is that what's happening?
I haven't had this one happen.3.) I've had instrument tracks play even though they were muted. Toggling mute a few times cleared it up.
I'll have to take your word for it. If a clearly muted track is clearly playing when it's not supposed to, that's gotta be a bug. Again, never experienced it myself, but if it happened to me, I'd call it a "bug", too. Thankfully not a bug that crashes T, but it would still be annoying.Well... the only one of those I have is Sampletank. My knobs are smooth as buttah. To the best of my knowledge, knob behaviour is the domain of the plug-in's code, and not that of the host's. Sampletank, for example, uses linear mode and it's working pretty smoothly for me. Now, although it's largely the plug-in's domain, I've been told lately that plug-in will sometimes defer to the host in terms of assigning control type (ie. linear vs. circular), but even then, it shouldn't make it act spastic... it would just change it from linear to circular mode.4.) On all of the VST instruments that I use regularly...Sonik Synth, Sampletank, Mtron, Minimonsta...the knobs(volume knob for example) act weird and jump all around. I have to slowly move the mouse and even then, the knob rotation is extremely jerky. I don't have this problem with the same plugins in other hosts(RAX and Logic).
Tracktion defaults to linear, I THINK. I've never actually known, but almost all of my plug-ins are linear so I just assumed. Anyhow, it's neither here nor there if the behaviour you're experiencing is simply 'weird jerkiness' and not unexpected 'circular' vs. 'linear' behaviour.
I still hesitate to call it a definitive 'Tracktion Bug' based on the knowledge I have (which is very little). It strikes me as something that could also be the plug-in designers. IK have garnered a reputation for some flaky releases, though I have to admit that ST2 has worked pretty great for me.
Not a bug. Just a feature request.5.) Not sure if this is a bug, but the input names(on each tracks input object) are truncated since I have no way of resizing the left side of the screen(input column).
I'd love to be able to resize and manipulate that left column, too.There may be a few more, but these are the worst offenders at the moment.
Cheers for sharing... at least it satisfies my curiousity, even if I couldn't be helpful.
I'd need more information about ALL of those (except #5) to know for sure if they're bugs, though. That's just me, and it might be semantics. The fact is that to you, they're "issues that are getting on my nerves" regardless of whose fault they are. But from my perspective (as a T "loyalist") the word "bug" gets used far too frequently, and I get touchy when it gets used for issues that aren't clearly identifiable as Tracktion bugs.Take care,
Greg
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- KVRAF
- 3364 posts since 16 Feb, 2004 from atop a katamari
there was definitely a bug in the input selectors, but it only happens if you've for some reason connected up multiple inputs to your track in the old-style view. i think a fix is going in (don't quote me) so that any inputs get disconnected when you switch to per-input mode, but that was the cause. if no inputs are already connected, there shouldn't be any problems selecting a new input.
Kick, punch, it's all in the mind.
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- KVRian
- 831 posts since 7 Sep, 2004
, sometimes i can't believe what i read here.For me Tracktion is a tool, a computer program and nothing more.
And Mr. Storer or Mackie are not my friends.
Some of the fanboys seem to live in another world.
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- KVRAF
- 12977 posts since 29 Sep, 2003 from Ottawa, Canada
<shrug>
I call it like I see it. Anybody who knows me knows that I'm a "fanboy" of logic and sensible thinking. Anything I write has nothing to do with the specific program at hand. You'd see the same thing on the Project Guitar forum when people write about the benefits of certain woods, techniques, or whatever.
My responses to your problems took into consideration all possible available information I had, and were pretty fair, I thought.
Of course, if you're not referring to me, I guess I shouldn't get defensive. But if you were, I'd be curious to know what part of my posts was rubbing you the wrong way again. I already warned in advance that I'd provide counter-arguments, but I'm still posting them in the spirit of getting to the bottom of things.
Greg
I call it like I see it. Anybody who knows me knows that I'm a "fanboy" of logic and sensible thinking. Anything I write has nothing to do with the specific program at hand. You'd see the same thing on the Project Guitar forum when people write about the benefits of certain woods, techniques, or whatever.
My responses to your problems took into consideration all possible available information I had, and were pretty fair, I thought.
Of course, if you're not referring to me, I guess I shouldn't get defensive.
But if you were, I'd be curious to know what part of my posts was rubbing you the wrong way again. I already warned in advance that I'd provide counter-arguments, but I'm still posting them in the spirit of getting to the bottom of things. Greg
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- KVRian
- 779 posts since 3 Apr, 2003 from UK
Perhaps it was the way you stormed in, said that Tracktion was only fit for hobbyists and not professionals which annoyed the people using it who *are* professionals?Barbarossa wrote:
For me Tracktion is a tool, a computer program and nothing more.
And Mr. Storer or Mackie are not my friends.
Some of the fanboys seem to live in another world.
Fact is, as you say, it's only a program. People are using it professionally so it must be possible for it to be used beyond the level of hobbyist. Horses for courses.
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- KVRian
- 831 posts since 7 Sep, 2004
Holy Tracktion.
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- KVRAF
- 6490 posts since 14 Jun, 2004 from Rochester, NY
dont know about professionally but im damn sure im making money with it
RonC
RonC
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- KVRAF
- 16154 posts since 2 Dec, 2003 from Nashville, TN
Barbarossa. Mackie isn't my friend. Jules isn't my friend. But I've done business with them. And being here for a while on this forum, I know that the people who are being criticized for their products not being up to expectations are being unfairly accused. It's CRAP how you come in here and criticize. Go use something else if you can't take it. Most people here are willing to help people out when they have problems. But when you come in with gripes the way some people have, you won't get the warm response. I DO have friends on this board. I've even met some of them. Maybe you just need to watch the attitude when you come in, especially when you are stating your opinion as fact when it is far from it.
Koolkeys
Koolkeys
My host is better than your host
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- KVRAF
- 16154 posts since 2 Dec, 2003 from Nashville, TN
By the way, Lunch and I don't mind getting called "fanboys" because we consider the source. I always try to look at things fairly, with a level head. Maybe you should try it sometime.
Sorry, but I'm just really annnoyed recently. Pardon my harshness. If someone has a real question, and can ask it without a "holier than thou" attitude, I am more than willing to help.
Koolkeys
Sorry, but I'm just really annnoyed recently. Pardon my harshness. If someone has a real question, and can ask it without a "holier than thou" attitude, I am more than willing to help.
Koolkeys
My host is better than your host
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- Chief Tracktioneer
- 532 posts since 14 Nov, 2002 from London
Agh, I've been away this weekend in the peace and tranquility of the scottish isles, and just got back to find 20 pages of random moaning!
I'm not going to attempt to read it all, but I assume it's mostly along the lines of "jules, have you deserted us and is tracktion doomed?"
The answer, of course, is "doh - of course not". Development's never stopped on tracktion, (though less of it is by me since T2 came out) and some very smart folk up in Victoria, BC are doing a fine job of the bits I'm not clever or patient enough to manage. Discussions are underway about what T3 is going to do, and Mackie are really fired-up about it all, so there's really no need to worry. In fact, it's a lot safer now, because if I drop dead or all my fingers fall off tomorrow, at least it'll survive!
And of course I'm also spending more time now on Juce, which accounts for about half the code in tracktion (the bottom half, I suppose you could call it...), so even my non-tracktion time is contributing to it at some level.
For the record, I just got a bit tired of spending 100% of my time working on one thing, and wanted to make time to play with some other ideas I'd had - PPMulator's the first, but I've got a couple of other things in the pipeline that'll be gracing these forums before long...
I'm not going to attempt to read it all, but I assume it's mostly along the lines of "jules, have you deserted us and is tracktion doomed?"
The answer, of course, is "doh - of course not". Development's never stopped on tracktion, (though less of it is by me since T2 came out) and some very smart folk up in Victoria, BC are doing a fine job of the bits I'm not clever or patient enough to manage. Discussions are underway about what T3 is going to do, and Mackie are really fired-up about it all, so there's really no need to worry. In fact, it's a lot safer now, because if I drop dead or all my fingers fall off tomorrow, at least it'll survive!
And of course I'm also spending more time now on Juce, which accounts for about half the code in tracktion (the bottom half, I suppose you could call it...), so even my non-tracktion time is contributing to it at some level.
For the record, I just got a bit tired of spending 100% of my time working on one thing, and wanted to make time to play with some other ideas I'd had - PPMulator's the first, but I've got a couple of other things in the pipeline that'll be gracing these forums before long...
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- KVRAF
- 12977 posts since 29 Sep, 2003 from Ottawa, Canada
Koolkeys-- Yeah, my "helping people" to "not helping people" ratio is pretty much inf:1, so I'm not really too bothered.
"Fanboy" is just one of those annoying words... it's borderline ad-hominem, and you know that I won't put up with ad-hominem in an actual debate. <chuckle> When mud-slinging time comes, it's fair game I guess, but I was under the impression that even the "complaining whiny snot-nosed mama's boy, needs their hand held or they'll cry" crowd wasn't up for mud-slinging, so I refuse. No sir, no ad-hominem for me.
jules-- looking forward to your next toys, especially the one Philip hinted at that's a bit TOO 'beginner' for some of us peeps... if it's at all what I think it is (which it may or may not be!) I bet my da' will like it.
Greg
"Fanboy" is just one of those annoying words... it's borderline ad-hominem, and you know that I won't put up with ad-hominem in an actual debate. <chuckle> When mud-slinging time comes, it's fair game I guess, but I was under the impression that even the "complaining whiny snot-nosed mama's boy, needs their hand held or they'll cry" crowd wasn't up for mud-slinging, so I refuse. No sir, no ad-hominem for me.
jules-- looking forward to your next toys, especially the one Philip hinted at that's a bit TOO 'beginner' for some of us peeps... if it's at all what I think it is (which it may or may not be!) I bet my da' will like it.
Greg
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- KVRian
- 1022 posts since 7 Sep, 2004
Please be sure and look after your bottom.jules wrote: And of course I'm also spending more time now on Juce, which accounts for about half the code in tracktion (the bottom half, I suppose you could call it...), so even my non-tracktion time is contributing to it at some level.
