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[Sascha Franck]

Anyway everybody is saying that heavy type is more difficult to replicate, so my guess would be, clean and crunch is an easy task..... really hope so....

I seriously don't think so.
For instance, while PODs and VAmps offer a few clean/crunch models which are working fine in the pop/fusion department, I have yet to hear some truly punching crunch sound, such as a Plexi Marshall with a proper booster/overdrive in front of it. The same goes for, say, a bassman clean (or very smoothly overdriven) sound. Or a medium cranked up AC30. Or just a Twin.

Seriously, I find it rather easy to achieve a proper heavy sound using a POD XT (just listen to what prizo posted), but I can't seem to find any proper setting for that in your face crunch.
Now, I don't own a POD XT myself (just the old POD), but I've been using it often enough to feel somewhat familiar with it.

I really wish someone would come up with a sim doing these sounds well. Personally, I just love those hard crunch sounds that you can even overload with FX (or hide in the mix) - while they're still cutting through.

[zeoy]

May I quote myself here just as a reminder to Rene or anyone else willing to comment ...

...My only concern is that with so much talk and efforts for the new-metal sound, clean or crunch amp models may not be in the same league (please tell me I am wrong Rene)

Sorry, sometimes I oversee questions...

True, I am and was mostly concentating on distortion models.
Thats what I and many others of you mainly wanted.
I did a few clean ones, Twin and such and it was quite easy to do,
so I concentrated on the heavy models.

Thanx for the answer Rene. Can we have some examples of clean or clean to crunchy tones please. I think you must have some appropriate dry recordings, right?

[zeoy]

Anyway everybody is saying that heavy type is more difficult to replicate, so my guess would be, clean and crunch is an easy task..... really hope so....

I seriously don't think so.
For instance, while PODs and VAmps offer a few clean/crunch models which are working fine in the pop/fusion department, I have yet to hear some truly punching crunch sound, such as a Plexi Marshall with a proper booster/overdrive in front of it. The same goes for, say, a bassman clean (or very smoothly overdriven) sound. Or a medium cranked up AC30. Or just a Twin.

Seriously, I find it rather easy to achieve a proper heavy sound using a POD XT (just listen to what prizo posted), but I can't seem to find any proper setting for that in your face crunch.
Now, I don't own a POD XT myself (just the old POD), but I've been using it often enough to feel somewhat familiar with it.

I really wish someone would come up with a sim doing these sounds well. Personally, I just love those hard crunch sounds that you can even overload with FX (or hide in the mix) - while they're still cutting through.

Couldn't agree more. Judging by all the ampsims I've tried convincing Knopfler, SRV, Keith Richards etc. tones are very hard to achieve. Digital artifacts and "plastic" sound are more easily spotted with low gain or clean settings. Just my 2 cents of course.

[mman]

I seriously don't think so.
For instance, while PODs and VAmps offer a few clean/crunch models which are working fine in the pop/fusion department, I have yet to hear some truly punching crunch sound, such as a Plexi Marshall with a proper booster/overdrive in front of it. The same goes for, say, a bassman clean (or very smoothly overdriven) sound. Or a medium cranked up AC30. Or just a Twin.
through.

Ok you are probably right about crunch or smoothly overdriven type of sounds, 'couse I'm yet to hear one (which is good) coming out of VST.....
.... but clean on the other hand ( OK it depends what kind of clean you are looking for ) is already at least usable.
My assumption about how hard or easy is to make an clean vst amp comes from reading these posts. HE for example,... even Rene told us the same......

[daverich]

my guitarist recently got an orange rig - rockerverb50. Man, that thing is lush!



Kind regards

Dave Rich

[chrishurley]

Someone should mention that the ampsim in Boogex can be disabled by turning down the distortion and setting the dynamics to 100%

[Midiworks]

So I would record in real time using Simuanalog, then use SIR only for playback?

I could live with that.

Hm...
Chainer > Simuanalog > Boogex (all set pasive)

Than its real time.

I did.

[zeoy]

So I would record in real time using Simuanalog, then use SIR only for playback?

I could live with that.

Hm...
Chainer > Simuanalog > Boogex (all set pasive)

Than its real time.

I did.

Or if you got an Intel chip based PC you could use Revolverb for real time convolution (not a beauty but it works)

[Lunch Money]

It needs specifically Intel? That's odd.

Regarding the clean/crunch thing: I'm in total agreement. I guess each of us must have different ears, because I'm pretty stoked about most of the hi-gain stuff I currently have on tap (personally, I feel that so much of it comes down to technique rather than just the amp) but I haven't heard a sim that will do that clean, ringing, bell-like tone like you might hear on, for example, "Lenny" by SRV, or a couple of the clean-toned tracks on the John Mayer Trio CD.

I know that for clean tones, the guitar and pickup selection plays a huge role, too, but using even a solid-state piece-o-crap amp like the Marshall MG30, I've come closer than with any sim so far. It could also just be that I haven't tweaked properly or I'm missing a component in the chain, but that bell-like tone is the one that's elusive for me.

Greg

[fritzman]

Ah, found it, 2100Euros at Amptown. Not toooo expensive. Have to go to the shop ...

Uh! They've been MUCH MUCH cheaper back then. A friend of mine has one, and he paid like around 1800 marks (!) for it. Sure, it's been like 8-10 years ago or so, but still... I mean, the € is ranking f**king great against the US$.
But then, maybe they updated that line, back then it's been the "cheap" department of PRS.

What??? 1800 Marks? That's a rediculous price compared to the one asked for today. Actually the other way round. That would be 900 Euros today.
Cheap line: PRS has some in the 500 - 600 Euros department now, so ...


Best wishes, FRitz

[Midiworks]

Can we have some examples of clean or clean to crunchy tones please. I think you must have some appropriate dry recordings, right?

Yes, but nothing really Strat typical, ala Knopfler ect.
Also it helps if you point me to some sound files you like.

[zeoy]

Can we have some examples of clean or clean to crunchy tones please. I think you must have some appropriate dry recordings, right?

Yes, but nothing really Strat typical, ala Knopfler ect.
Also it helps if you point me to some sound files you like.

If you could use the "Riviera" that I sent you back then it would be a good example for clean bell-like tone. It's in the spirit of Lenny that Greg mentioned earlier

(here's the link if you don't have it handy www.show.gr/zeoy/riviera.mp3 )
The "Pride and joy" intro would be a good example for this clean to crunch sound

(link: www.show.gr/zeoy/pride.mp3)

sorry for my sloppy playing guys

[zeoy]

It needs specifically Intel? That's odd.

IIRC they stated that it doesn't work with AMDs (not sure though if it still holds since modern AMDs got SSE3 now)

[snooky]

so, where is this thing...anyone ..links...

[MrM]

What thing? The AmpSim?
Didn't you read all the pages?