KVR Audio

snooky · Post by **snooky** » Mon Jan 23, 2006 10:03 pm

yaddayaddayadda *fanbois*

it's from waves/ssl and it's expensive..hence, it HAS to be good??

you're all so 'effin delutional

gd_vm · Post by **gd_vm** » Mon Jan 23, 2006 10:28 pm

Well, there are some that had a change to "play" with it for a bit and say it sounds great. So we shall see..

bduffy · Post by **bduffy** » Mon Jan 23, 2006 10:32 pm

Well, it it's anything like the URS plug-ins (haven't tried the compressors), I'd consider getting them. They're just incredible-sounding, I couldn't care less who makes it (but the URS ones are pricey!)

bmanic · Post by **bmanic** » Mon Jan 23, 2006 10:50 pm

Aleksey Vaneev wrote:Kingston, OK, I understand that 'sloppy' sound. But I may expect it to sound sloppy if you run 4 instances in series. With only 2 instances in series it hardly becomes a problem.

I plan to make Clean coloration & Classic detector mode to work like an ordinary compressor - without any phase coloration. Maybe I can also add a switch to force phase linearisation (but this may require additional CPU resources and may increase latency by 8-16 samples).

This would be nice indeed but please don't replace the clean mode but rather introduce a new mode that is completely without the extra enhancement.

The only problems that I've noticed is like Kingston described, when I have many Marquis compressors while mixing drums. I have one on the kick, one on the snare, one on the bus and usually one on the final "glue" bus (which is everything except elements that I want "floating" on top of the mix). That makes 3 in series. Now if I want one on the master too during mastering, it makes 4.

Also, speaking of mastering, I've used marquis several times and loved the compression of it but had to take it away because of what it did to the bass. Sometimes I really would love an extremely high quality compressor (high resolution and sofisticated gain reduction) that is totally "sterile" or transparent. I can get this from the sintefex by disabling the convolution engine but I prefere the gain reduction action on Marquis.

Oh and I'd love to hear how that linear phase thing would sound. A few extra samples of delay is not really a problem in todays hosts. Heck, even FL Studio can do some manually compensated latency.

Cheers!
bManic

fgimian · Post by **fgimian** » Mon Jan 23, 2006 10:54 pm

bduffy, same here. Man I'd love to try the compressors, I'm sure they would be fantastic.

snooky, no offense, but if you dislike Waves & SSL, then why are you responding to this thread and ruining our fun ?

Every commercial recording (that was recorded in a high end studio) is generally mixed on a Neve or SSL desk and it is the sound that most of us are striving for, thus having the tools at our fingertips would be of interest to us.

So ... PLEASE let's stop provoking snooky and get back to talking about the new Waves plugins ...

Kind Regards
Fots

bmanic · Post by **bmanic** » Mon Jan 23, 2006 11:10 pm

soundpalace wrote: snooky, no offense, but if you dislike Waves & SSL, then why are you responding to this thread and ruining our fun ?

Very simply, because he is a

.

- bManic

snooky · Post by **snooky** » Mon Jan 23, 2006 11:10 pm

I'm a troll.

and I don't really like big companies.

It's getting harder and harder to troll around here tho' ...you're all so polite these days.

perhpas I'm better off in OT

bduffy · Post by **bduffy** » Mon Jan 23, 2006 11:14 pm

soundpalace wrote:bduffy, same here. Man I'd love to try the compressors, I'm sure they would be fantastic.

snooky, no offense, but if you dislike Waves & SSL, then why are you responding to this thread and ruining our fun ?

Every commercial recording (that was recorded in a high end studio) is generally mixed on a Neve or SSL desk and it is the sound that most of us are striving for, thus having the tools at our fingertips would be of interest to us.

So ... PLEASE let's stop provoking snooky and get back to talking about the new Waves plugins ...

Kind Regards
Fots

I wonder if anyone is working on - or has thought of - making a host that is completely modelled after analog desks/gear? Now I know some people get miffed at the idea of software always trying to emulate hardware, and I agree that you should have totally new innovations, but wouldn't it be cool to have a host where all the strips were SSL/Neve/etc inspired? All the included plug-ins were URS-quality EQs, compressors, reverbs, etc?

I wonder if anyone's up to that...

veseli koljac · Post by **veseli koljac** » Mon Jan 23, 2006 11:21 pm

I wonder if anyone is working on - or has thought of - making an host that is completely modelled after analog desks/gear? Now I know some people get miffed at the idea of software always trying to emualte hardware, and I agree that you should have totally new innovations, but wouldn't it be cool to have a host where all the strips were SSL inspired? All the included plug-ins were modelled EQs, compressors, reverbs, etc?

I wonder if anyone's up to that...

i think it's a perfect job for midiworks.with his SE "new super modeling engine" that will be piece of cake.

championrabbit · Post by **championrabbit** » Mon Jan 23, 2006 11:22 pm

bduffy wrote:I wonder if anyone's up to that...

Well, apart from the channel strip and the master buss compressor, there's not much about an SSL that changes the sound.

The fact that a G-Series is likely to be paired with a Studer (or similar) 2" will obviously affect the sound, but tape sims are plentiful and unconvincing...

Also, imagine the CPU sucking from 24 tracks of SSL channel-strips? You'd max-out before you even hit record!!

ghost666 · Post by **ghost666** » Mon Jan 23, 2006 11:31 pm

championrabbit wrote:...Also, imagine the CPU sucking from 24 tracks of SSL channel-strips? You'd max-out before you even hit record!!

You could run 'em on a DSP card though!
I'd be happy with 16 channels!
Mmmmmm, yes please, 16 channels of a virtual SSL host.

+: Actually I'll take a Neve host with that too please!

thomashenry · Post by **thomashenry** » Mon Jan 23, 2006 11:32 pm

snooky wrote:I'm a troll.

and I don't really like big companies.

It's getting harder and harder to troll around here tho' ...you're all so polite these days.

perhpas I'm better off in OT

Why not go and troll about some big companys rather than two small ones (Waves and SSL)

championrabbit · Post by **championrabbit** » Mon Jan 23, 2006 11:38 pm

ghost666 wrote:
+: Actually I'll take a Neve host with that too please!

Well!

You may just be in luck since UAD are about to release a bunch of Neve licensed plugs. EQ first I think. Presumably they'll be doing a channel strip too.

bduffy · Post by **bduffy** » Tue Jan 24, 2006 12:10 am

Yeah, of course this might be a next-gen or DSP card-only host...I don't think the URS plugs take up much CPU, though, do they?

I'll bet somebody is working on it. Kind of makes sense, especially for us all-in-the-box guys.

Here's to hoping a host developer is catching this thread.

fgimian · Post by **fgimian** » Tue Jan 24, 2006 1:37 am

bduffy wrote:
soundpalace wrote:bduffy, same here. Man I'd love to try the compressors, I'm sure they would be fantastic.

snooky, no offense, but if you dislike Waves & SSL, then why are you responding to this thread and ruining our fun ?

Every commercial recording (that was recorded in a high end studio) is generally mixed on a Neve or SSL desk and it is the sound that most of us are striving for, thus having the tools at our fingertips would be of interest to us.

So ... PLEASE let's stop provoking snooky and get back to talking about the new Waves plugins ...

Kind Regards
Fots
I wonder if anyone is working on - or has thought of - making a host that is completely modelled after analog desks/gear? Now I know some people get miffed at the idea of software always trying to emulate hardware, and I agree that you should have totally new innovations, but wouldn't it be cool to have a host where all the strips were SSL/Neve/etc inspired? All the included plug-ins were URS-quality EQs, compressors, reverbs, etc?

I wonder if anyone's up to that...

I have definitely thought about this ! Very good idea. Just imagine every channel receives a modelling plugin that models an SSL desk channel, and each channel has a full channel strip based on SSL consoles. Imagine being able to switch between SSL and Neve models ... man I can't stop drooling lol

I wish it happens, I like Samplitude's built in FX, theres a really nice compressor and saturator there and they sound fantastic.

Maybe we're just dreaming mate

Take care
Fots