Well "something about the diamonds I don't like the look of ..." is hardly a useful contribution to a discussion about GUI is it?pHz wrote:commandline tools are where its at ...
Will a drum tool be a valuable addition to T2?
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 418 posts since 8 May, 2003 from Somewhere in the triangle...
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- The Teach
- 8273 posts since 23 Jul, 2002 from flatness
didnt claim it was ... but since you raise the point (although starting this debate may - or may not - derail your original stated intention for the thread) ...Slacknote wrote:Well "something about the diamonds I don't like the look of ..." is hardly a useful contribution to a discussion about GUI is it?pHz wrote:commandline tools are where its at ...
... although i understand the arguments behind the request i personally dont find the diamond on the line approach as intuitive as a normal piano roll grid (but then ive never really used cubase) ... although visually you DO have the spike of the diamond on the line the shape itself begins BEFORE the time of the note trigger which to me is as counter-intuitive as the piano roll approach obviously is to you ... with the piano roll the note 'block' starts where the note-on message is actually sent and you can just as easily see multiple hits (admittedly as long as your zoom level is high enough) ...
... IMHO you COULD add a 'drum' tool to T2s piano roll but i would have it (off the top of my head) do only the following ...
> automatically set default note length to 1/32 while drum mode is active (although still allowing note length to be dragged out for partcular events)
> allow the 'click-hold-drag' painting of note events as you describe (locking to current global snap value)
> offer a 'fold' option like live5s where only 'active' notes are shown on the grid
... this seems the best way to me to keep the GUI consistent while offering features that make drum programming a little easier ...
slainte
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- KVRAF
- 1714 posts since 14 Mar, 2003 from Israel
I would rather have some tools that will help me with drum editing, than another tool or mode.
Taking pHz suggestion, you can see it's not that far away.
Add support for drum maps to that feature and you have working drum editor, without any modes.
Tracktion already supports getting drum names from certain filters (like its own sampler), as well as displaying GM drum names when MIDI clip is set to channel 10 - so that shouldn't be hard to implement.
Taking pHz suggestion, you can see it's not that far away.
You can just set the note length to this length, when working on a drum part. Maybe a per-clip note length will be useful?pHz wrote: > automatically set default note length to 1/32 while drum mode is active (although still allowing note length to be dragged out for partcular events)
IIRC, you can already do that with the line tool.> allow the 'click-hold-drag' painting of note events as you describe (locking to current global snap value)
Fold in Live is a great feature and will suit T just nicely. Seconded.> offer a 'fold' option like live5s where only 'active' notes are shown on the grid
Add support for drum maps to that feature and you have working drum editor, without any modes.
Tracktion already supports getting drum names from certain filters (like its own sampler), as well as displaying GM drum names when MIDI clip is set to channel 10 - so that shouldn't be hard to implement.
CubaseStudio4 µTonic/Rapture Nitro/GS-201/Ohmicide/TBK 1&3
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- The Teach
- 8273 posts since 23 Jul, 2002 from flatness
fair points all ...spacefox wrote:I would rather have some tools that will help me with drum editing, than another tool or mode.
Taking pHz suggestion, you can see it's not that far away.You can just set the note length to this length, when working on a drum part. Maybe a per-clip note length will be useful?pHz wrote: > automatically set default note length to 1/32 while drum mode is active (although still allowing note length to be dragged out for partcular events)IIRC, you can already do that with the line tool.> allow the 'click-hold-drag' painting of note events as you describe (locking to current global snap value)Fold in Live is a great feature and will suit T just nicely. Seconded.> offer a 'fold' option like live5s where only 'active' notes are shown on the grid
Add support for drum maps to that feature and you have working drum editor, without any modes.
Tracktion already supports getting drum names from certain filters (like its own sampler), as well as displaying GM drum names when MIDI clip is set to channel 10 - so that shouldn't be hard to implement.
... i was looking at it a little from the psychological aspect of using a GUI ... if you have a little 'drum mode' button that automatically throws all these toggle switches for you youre already in a drum programming headspace (which i think is the REAL impact of the little diamonds actually) ...
slainte
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- KVRer
- 27 posts since 8 May, 2005 from ROI
Yes, yes, yes.
I thought I was the only one who wanted this. I'll add my 2 (euro!) cents and support for a drum grid please, pretty please Jules. Currently it's too frustrating and very slow to program drums in the midi editor and I've been a drummer for 20 years.
Also full screen midi editing please while they're at it.
Ric
I thought I was the only one who wanted this. I'll add my 2 (euro!) cents and support for a drum grid please, pretty please Jules. Currently it's too frustrating and very slow to program drums in the midi editor and I've been a drummer for 20 years.
Also full screen midi editing please while they're at it.
Ric
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- KVRAF
- 1714 posts since 14 Mar, 2003 from Israel
It starts with considering the psychological elements of the drum programmer, and ends with a brushed-metal full-screen mixer with 3d faders and LEDs.... i was looking at it a little from the psychological aspect of using a GUI ... if you have a little 'drum mode' button that automatically throws all these toggle switches for you youre already in a drum programming headspace (which i think is the REAL impact of the little diamonds actually) ...
slainte Wink rob
What rocks about T's interface is that there are no modes - it's all there. This is why the current approach to mixing beats traditional mixer. This is why I rather maximize a track (vert. zoom should be improved though), then have a dedicated editor page. The less swiches/ buttons/ modes the better.
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for improvement in drum editing, and MIDI editing in general. I am a MIDI guy, and always resort to other tools (eXT, ERA, GURU) to bypass T's MIDI editor.
But as with all features, this should be implemented in a way that will not mess Tracktion's one and only great asset: its user interface.
CubaseStudio4 µTonic/Rapture Nitro/GS-201/Ohmicide/TBK 1&3
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- KVRAF
- 2028 posts since 18 Mar, 2004 from New York, N.Y.
I like this, +1 for this feature.
Yes, the diamonds are necessary for overlapping notes, no dount about it. Note length is necessary, cymbals shouldn't always ring out to their maximum length.
Yes, the diamonds are necessary for overlapping notes, no dount about it. Note length is necessary, cymbals shouldn't always ring out to their maximum length.
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- KVRist
- 277 posts since 9 Sep, 2004 from Middletown, CT USA
Another enthusiastic 'Yes' for this feature for T~
Best, Mike from The Coffeehouse
Best, Mike from The Coffeehouse
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 418 posts since 8 May, 2003 from Somewhere in the triangle...
Please explain what Fold is.spacefox wrote:Fold in Live is a great feature and will suit T just nicely.
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 418 posts since 8 May, 2003 from Somewhere in the triangle...
[quote="spacefox"]What rocks about T's interface is that there are no modes - it's all there./quote]
True that's why I wrote "drum tool" and not "drum editor". Maybe I shouldn't even call it "drum tool" but "a stick that drops diamonds".
True that's why I wrote "drum tool" and not "drum editor". Maybe I shouldn't even call it "drum tool" but "a stick that drops diamonds".
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- KVRAF
- 3617 posts since 26 Sep, 2003 from Bradford - The Armpit of Britain
When you fold a track midi track in live it resizes the piano roll so that only those notes which are being used are visible - makes it a little easier to work with drum samplers etc.Slacknote wrote:Please explain what Fold is.spacefox wrote:Fold in Live is a great feature and will suit T just nicely.
Just a little workflow thing.
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 418 posts since 8 May, 2003 from Somewhere in the triangle...
Sounds like a good idea!diverdee wrote:When you fold a track midi track in live it resizes the piano roll so that only those notes which are being used are visible - makes it a little easier to work with drum samplers etc.Slacknote wrote:Please explain what Fold is.spacefox wrote:Fold in Live is a great feature and will suit T just nicely.
Just a little workflow thing.
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- KVRAF
- 1820 posts since 28 Mar, 2005
what kind of stupid question is this? :would a drum tool be useful?" haha! of course it would you fool man!
let us all laugh at you.
...nah just kidding. great idea. ya think maybe it's been mentioned before though?
let us all laugh at you.
...nah just kidding. great idea. ya think maybe it's been mentioned before though?
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 418 posts since 8 May, 2003 from Somewhere in the triangle...
It's not in this thread:lharless wrote:what kind of stupid question is this? :would a drum tool be useful?" haha! of course it would you fool man!
let us all laugh at you.
...nah just kidding. great idea. ya think maybe it's been mentioned before though?
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=110052
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- KVRian
- 975 posts since 31 Jan, 2005
I have it already, its just as you've described it but better on all accounts.
