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fgimian · Post by **fgimian** » Sun Aug 13, 2006 8:10 am

I just got my hands on the analogue I had told you guys about. It's the first portable Roland Synth, model is the SH-1000

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roland_SH-1000

Not sure if it's considered to be any good, but I'll post some sound samples soon, this thing is DIRTY ! lol

Cheers
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the_nihilist · Post by **the_nihilist** » Sun Aug 13, 2006 8:45 am

soundpalace wrote:I just got my hands on the analogue I had told you guys about. It's the first portable Roland Synth, model is the SH-1000

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roland_SH-1000

Not sure if it's considered to be any good, but I'll post some sound samples soon, this thing is DIRTY ! lol

Cheers
Fots

Who cares if it's good? It's dirty as hell and gives you a unique sound and hopefully it's fun to use. Way more important than making "proper" sounds.

fgimian · Post by **fgimian** » Sun Aug 13, 2006 8:58 am

oh man, it is SO fun to use, but it needs a serious clean, some notes are a little cooky lol

I'll be posting a sample of it's sound in about 30 mins

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fgimian · Post by **fgimian** » Sun Aug 13, 2006 9:32 am

Sorry this is TOTALLY rough, I was too busy screwing with the knobs...

http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?a ... 12de2a97e9

This thing is totally unstable, some notes start warbling n stuff, needs a good clean I think

The filter on this thing is HUGE and incredibly fat !

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bmanic · Post by **bmanic** » Sun Aug 13, 2006 2:37 pm

Jep.. that's the typical roland vcf. I like it..

Notice how a big part of the raw sound is actual noise in the background during each note on and that 'click' that happens every now and then.

I've said this the first time many years ago when the VSTi concept came alive and I'll say it again: Developers, STOP removing the NOISE from oscillators, filters and other circuits, it's one of THE biggest things in old analogue synths. Ironically it was one of the biggest marketing points of early VSTi and Virtual Analogue synths "buy brand xxxx now! all the punch without the noise!". It's like removing the "wooden frame" sound from a piano (building one out of plastic).

Cheers!
bManic

Kingston · Post by **Kingston** » Sun Aug 13, 2006 2:45 pm

bmanic wrote:Developers, STOP removing the NOISE from oscillators, filters and other circuits, it's one of THE biggest things in old analogue synths.

It's actually the other way around and the reason it's often not seen (the uncontrollable noise mod type things): the noise has to be *added* there, since it isn't a byproduct of any of the bread and butter algorithms we're used to... this in comparison to the noisy and somewhat unstable circuits we are also used to. It just has to be added in.

martian · Post by **martian** » Sun Aug 13, 2006 2:52 pm

bmanic wrote: I've said this the first time many years ago when the VSTi concept came alive and I'll say it again: Developers, STOP removing the NOISE from oscillators, filters and other circuits, it's one of THE biggest things in old analogue synths. Ironically it was one of the biggest marketing points of early VSTi and Virtual Analogue synths "buy brand xxxx now! all the punch without the noise!". It's like removing the "wooden frame" sound from a piano (building one out of plastic).

Cheers!
bManic

incidently this is one of the reasons i like a bit of aliasing, as you can see in my highly successful thread. of course some nice noise would prob be better, in fact i find its using a noise gen on many vsti thats makes them alias so much at filter sat stage.

defjamm · Post by **defjamm** » Sun Aug 13, 2006 2:54 pm

i think it's the same for mixing itb. there is a lack of noise. you have to add it really really low in level and things will sound 'better' to our ears.

snooky · Post by **snooky** » Sun Aug 13, 2006 2:56 pm

martian wrote:
bmanic wrote: I've said this the first time many years ago when the VSTi concept came alive and I'll say it again: Developers, STOP removing the NOISE from oscillators, filters and other circuits, it's one of THE biggest things in old analogue synths. Ironically it was one of the biggest marketing points of early VSTi and Virtual Analogue synths "buy brand xxxx now! all the punch without the noise!". It's like removing the "wooden frame" sound from a piano (building one out of plastic).

Cheers!
bManic
incidently this is one of the reasons i like a bit of alaising, as you can see in my highly successful thread. of course some nice noise would prob be better, in fact i find its using a noise gen on many vsti thats makes them alais so much at filter sat stage.

Aliasing? Aliasing has nothing todo with analog sound, infact it's impossible for an analog circuite (ie synth) to alias (exept if you use some kind of discrete sampling in the audio chain)

martian · Post by **martian** » Sun Aug 13, 2006 3:06 pm

bmanic wrote:Jep.. that's the typical roland vcf. I like it..

Notice how a big part of the raw sound is actual noise in the background during each note on and that 'click' that happens every now and then.

also the note on click and thump sounds like 'dc burst' on zeta, i think the only vsti ive found that emulates this.

snooky · Post by **snooky** » Sun Aug 13, 2006 3:12 pm

martian wrote:
bmanic wrote:Jep.. that's the typical roland vcf. I like it..

Notice how a big part of the raw sound is actual noise in the background during each note on and that 'click' that happens every now and then.
also the note on click and thump sounds like 'dc burst' on zeta, i think the only vsti ive found that emulates this.

triangle has this also!

martian · Post by **martian** » Sun Aug 13, 2006 3:24 pm

snooky wrote: Aliasing? Aliasing has nothing todo with analog sound, infact it's impossible for an analog circuite (ie synth) to alias (exept if you use some kind of discrete sampling in the audio chain)

i know, but..

soundpalace wrote:Sorry this is TOTALLY rough, I was too busy screwing with the knobs...

http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?a ... 12de2a97e9

This thing is totally unstable, some notes start warbling n stuff, needs a good clean I think

The filter on this thing is HUGE and incredibly fat !

Fots

i hear an almost slight dissonant harmonic to some of the notes, sounds like a thin metal plate being hit, and very similar to aliasing when you go up high at 0.10s. can you do a 320, so i can see if the noise is still there? i love the filter reso, sounds like it gets a bit saturated instead of being overly powerful and 'popping out' as you sweep like on many vas.

vvanrij · Post by **vvanrij** » Sun Aug 13, 2006 3:57 pm

Why haven't I heard anything about Reaktor (5) ? I know its used professionally all the time, and it offers all you want (cause its infinite modular)? Does anyone know if its worth to buy a Clavia Modular G2, if you have Reaktor 5?

-Victor

Algorythm · Post by **Algorythm** » Sun Aug 13, 2006 5:42 pm

vvanrij wrote:Why haven't I heard anything about Reaktor (5) ? I know its used professionally all the time, and it offers all you want (cause its infinite modular)? Does anyone know if its worth to buy a Clavia Modular G2, if you have Reaktor 5?

-Victor

All the NI products have the worst manuals, especially Reactor! (I consider as best the GMedia's Minimonsta Manual). It's quite difficult to understand how exactly this monster (Reactor) works and then program it by only reading its manual.For this reason, i believe that hardware like G2 is better because it's easier to handle it even if you have it for 2 hours. Except this, i don't believe that Reactor is worst than a G2.I could say that it's better..It depends on your programming a lot. On the other side, you can use other people's patches which i personally found good only for modern production techniques and experimental music. With G2 you can quicker get "into the point". I'm not a fan of Clavia though..they sell steel at the price of gold...

fgimian · Post by **fgimian** » Sun Aug 13, 2006 10:10 pm

Hey guys,bManic I completely agree, even without any oscs on, this thing produces some tone, a click is always heard when you hit a note and the waveforms produced do indeed have some noise, especially heard in the lower notes.

This does not alias guys, not even the tiniest bit of digital aliasing can be heard on this thing, the high end (treble) of the oscs is absolutely crystal clear, I even analysed it with an FFT to confirm. So far, the closest VSTi I've heard to this synth is the Minimonsta, although that synth is still lacking the dirty sound this analog offers.

I'll try get it cleaned tonight, some notes are doing strange ... alien-like things

Cheers
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VSTis as good as hardware? Similar to Access Virus Quality?