KVR Audio

kaufi · Post by **kaufi** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 12:39 am

just nice GUIs, but that's all

M'Snah · Post by **M'Snah** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 1:42 pm

Decent GUIs, and it definitely does good things to your sound. Although I mainly use the compressors and EQ's of the bundle, and not all the other stuff.

polyslax · Post by **polyslax** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 7:25 pm

soniccouture wrote:Hey! I'd better stick up for Blue Tubes here!

I love them been using them for about 3 or 4 years, and i use the comps ( very precise eg control) everyday, the Limiter is really really nice, and the pultec style EQ's are great workhorses. Oh, and the 3D delay has a really musical sound.

they're good. I could not live without them, PSP's stuff, and L2. everything else is expendable. And I have a SSL Duende -heh.

Hey congrats on your 5/5 for Abstrakt:Konkrete in SoS! Just read that this morning. Was just checking out your Abstrakt:Bass - will give it a listen tonight.

bmanic · Post by **bmanic** » Tue Sep 05, 2006 8:11 pm

snooky wrote:
soniccouture wrote:Hey! I'd better stick up for Blue Tubes here!

I love them been using them for about 3 or 4 years, and i use the comps ( very precise eg control) everyday, the Limiter is really really nice, and the pultec style EQ's are great workhorses. Oh, and the 3D delay has a really musical sound.

they're good. I could not live without them, PSP's stuff, and L2. everything else is expendable. And I have a SSL Duende -heh.

and to quote you again, the L2 is not a very good limiter these days, and Duende is just a low powered dsp solution (with the mediocre SSL plugins) easily outdone by UAD or PoCo (which in turn will get old reaaally fast now)

your falling into the "expensive=good" bottomless(money)pit.

Get out!

I agree partly with snooky (

) but that blurb about the Duende is just bullshit. Duende plugins are advanced new versions of the dsp code from their top of the line digital mixers (C series). I've heard them, tried them on a mix and they definately sound good. Period. Well, good if you like the SSL sound (many people don't). I also have some experience with the SSL C100 console and SSL 4000 E/G hybrid console and can say that the plugins do mimic the character very well.

As for bluetubes? I find them worthless. There are much better freeware alternatives around. Pretty GUI, mediocre sound (that should be their slogan).

Cheers!
bManic

XLogic · Post by **XLogic** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 2:24 pm

FWIW the Duende is significantly more powerful than Powercore and UAD-1. It has 4 x 333MHz SHARC processors running at 40-bit floating point. Powercore Firewire had 4 x 150 MHz Motorola 56k DSPs.

Alan · Post by **Alan** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 4:49 pm

kaufi wrote:just nice GUIs, but that's all

I can't add anything more to that.

Jason Brian Merrill · Post by **Jason Brian Merrill** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 6:01 pm

funny, i dont find anything except peoples words to prove anyting about it. Perhaps it is just subjective.

I havent heard any audio comparisons to tell me that blue tubes suck...

defjamm · Post by **defjamm** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 6:20 pm

Jason Brian Merrill wrote:funny, i dont find anything except peoples words to prove anyting about it. Perhaps it is just subjective.

I havent heard any audio comparisons to tell me that blue tubes suck...

'The Blue Tubes Bundle is a collection of 16 plug-ins processors for PC and Mac OSX.
Designed to improve the quality of digital sound recordings. This bundle recreates the warm sound qualities of classic analog hardware.'

it begins with their eqs. they don't even have the curve of analog ones at 44k. it's the same problem a lot of digital eqs have that are labeled as analog emulations. it's the same with urs and most other companies that claim 'analog warmth'.

now as with all tools, you can use them and make something out of it(something brutal/ugly sounding could be the ticket in certain musical genres). some people like aliasing, others like assymetrical filters. it's just that they don't give you what they claim and there are better plug-ins, that are closer to this certain claim than blue tubes.

Jason Brian Merrill · Wed Sep 06, 2006 11:05 pm

.... still, no audio example of what you mean.

how does one prove this argument? By a bunch of terms? Its audio, man, lets hear some examples!!!

defjamm · Post by **defjamm** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 11:12 pm

what i told you is better than any audio example. educate yourself about dsp and you'll understand, no audio needed. it's not a bunch of terms, it's science.

Jason Brian Merrill · Wed Sep 06, 2006 11:18 pm

defjamm wrote:what i told you is better than any audio example. educate yourself about dsp and you'll understand, no audio needed. it's not a bunch of terms, it's science.

sounds like snake oil to me.

show me a difference between a blue tubes compressor with a the same ratio, threshold, attack, etc as a "good" compressor and let me hear the difference.

its not science, its audio.

defjamm · Post by **defjamm** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 11:37 pm

Jason Brian Merrill wrote:its not science, its audio.

how do you think software gets programmed, with magic?

from
http://www.eliosound.com/amlt

you see the red standard digital filter on that picture? that's what blue tubes (and others) give you at 44k. do you see the analog reference curve? that's what they should give you as analog emulations but don't.

math results in sound. different curves give a different sound. if you want a test make one yourself.

Arksun · Post by **Arksun** » Wed Sep 06, 2006 11:38 pm

defjamm wrote:what i told you is better than any audio example. educate yourself about dsp and you'll understand, no audio needed. it's not a bunch of terms, it's science.

No offence mate, but do you realise how dumb that sounds. I don't know about you but when it comes to choosing synths or effects I use one thing and one thing only, my ears. If they sound good they sound good, if they don't they don't.

Most people listen to music by using their ears too, as opposed to downloading a specification sheet and project file of the track

CapnLockheed · Post by **CapnLockheed** » Thu Sep 07, 2006 12:01 am

defjamm wrote:what i told you is better than any audio example. educate yourself about dsp and you'll understand, no audio needed. it's not a bunch of terms, it's science.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! What a load of horsepoop!! That's the EXACT
same nonsense the engineers spouted about how transistors were
"better" than tubes. How the equation reads or how it looks
on the scope does'nt mean sh@t to a tree.

Cheers......CL

defjamm · Post by **defjamm** » Thu Sep 07, 2006 12:25 am

you are the dumb ones for not listening and trying to understand what i wrote.

@arksun: that's why there are this discussions all around the web about summing engines and 'this daw sound better than that' when they in reality don't. the ear is easy to fool(loudness, nice guis, price).
if something is the emulation of something, and even doesn't give you the same curve(one important thing for an eq), it won't sound the same. this should be very easy to understand. the customers get fooled.

it's all math. and simple algos won't give you a good emulation.

@capncockhead: you're confusing some things big time. i didn't say analog is better than digital. there will be emulations that will get as close that the human hear won't hear a difference(when everything is matched the same way). but blue tubes isn't of this kind LOL.

if you don't want to learn i don't care, stay dumb

Nomad Factory Blue Tubes Bundle ,,,anyone using this?