This coming NAMM is going to be SICK!

[beergeek]

I don't get how playing an original song using the tone that Jimi used on "The Wind Cries Mary" makes me an Elvis impersonator. By that logic, EVERYONE using a vintage Marshall stack or a Fuzz Face or a '68 Strat is unoriginal.

Jimi and Eric are my guitar heros. While they may not be yours, I think I have a lot of company in my camp. To each his own.

--Rob

Le Whatever. Personally, I'd rather play an original song in a tone that I thought was appropriate to it, and forget 'whose' it was. This is part of a modern obsession with brand names and cachet. There was nothing particularly magic about all this old gear -- it was the best they could do at the time, that's all. And it wasn't the gear, it was the players.

Boring argument, and I have nothing more to say. The old hippies have turned into their parents...it's not like it was in my day, why I remember when...'

/fnx

I agree some of it is boring but I totally disagree with some of what you said and in a general way, you've decided anyone using this gear is not writing their own music. Since that includes me, I'm going to argue

A preset from this gear might very well be appropriate but you are dismissing it because you feel it's a modern obsession with brand names?

That sounds a lot like a statement from an old hippie.. "I'm not into material things man..."

To say there was nothing magic about the gear is dead on...depending on what gear you're talking about. Have you heard the difference between a Tube mic pre that uses an 12AX7 and one that doesn't?

There's a reason they are still making a Fuzz Face or a Crybaby that adheres to the orginal specs. There IS a tonal difference, the question is whether you like that tone or not. You don't think it's magic but I do.

What kind of gear you use? I would say it's pretty hard NOT to be using something that's been endorsed by someone these days

You are right about the the players being the real magic though. Again, I happen to think Eric and Jimi were magic and maybe you don't.

The bottom line dude...you're inferring that a lot of people have no talent and use this gear as a crutch even though it's worthless in your eyes. The worst part is that you imply that you are superior because you disdain anything so material. I'm just here to tell you it ain't true.

But as you say Le Whatever.

[zvenx]

I am going to have to assume that IK had to pay to use JH's name.
And I am curious if this would have made a big difference in our cost if instead it was named Amplitube 60's reissue or something like that.
rsp

[zvenx]

Anyway like I said different strokes for different folks.
I would consider that when Studio Vision Pro first came out and incorporated Audio and Midi that was mindblowing. I would consider Midi as mind blowing.
I would consider Reason when it first come out as mindblowing.
I would consider Stylus RMX as mind blowing.
I would consider when Line 6 or whoever first came out with guitar effects modelling and guitar modelling on the whole.
What came out was nice, probably very very nice, but imho not mindblowing.
rsp

[Squids]

Again, anyone who dismisses the AT JH Edition COMPLETELY because they think "give it up who wants to sound like Hendrix" (even though clearly many do if you read guitar magazines even last month) should really at least think about the OTHER aspect of the product which is the modeling of vintage gear.

Which I must agree is absolutely fine. And, to cheer you up even more, it's competitively priced, for what you get.

I buy a lot of vintage modeling and sampling -- in keyboards and synths -- but nobody tries to sell me the 'Keith Emerson edition,' or the 'Keith Jarrett edition.' There's just something fundamentally creepy about this Hendrix cult. Inventive player, some amazing tracks, saw him several times, bought all him stuff...but, really...

/funxi

You want to know something HILARIOUS? We ARE coming out with a Keith Emerson Collection!!!!! Haha. Sonic Reality sponsored Keith to help him stay in the US and I am a long time friend of his tech Will Alexander who sampled Keith's modulars, rare GX-1, Hammond with his settings and other assorted vintage keyboard sounds. It should be out this year!

But, I can see your opinion (btw, sorry I had to delete your "f u" post in the other thread but I kept it in Beer's quote at least and it's the weekend and the staff is mostly here just for Thurs and Friday anyway). I think there ARE a lot of people who look at "the so and so edition" and don't really care about that aspect. It's not even a secret that these things are MAJORLY a marketing aspect of the product. I personally look right past that though. Keith Emerson Collecion? Cool. But what sounds does it have???? Because yes that IS what is actually the most important. It could be Keith Lemonson the no named keyboardist from Kentucky but if he got some great sounds from some great instruments then.... it's just that Lemonson from a marketing POV is no as strong!

Anyway, some find that kind of marketing annoying and I get it. But it's still something that a majority of people DO get into so in the end it is up to each person how they view it, if they see past it for its other great qualities or if they are against in principle or whatever it is. Bottom line is that its true value is to each individual who uses it to make music. If it accomplishes that then it is a great product in my opinion and not using the famous name TOO much as its crutch. In fact, I was talking to Eddie Kramer about this the other day. He really hates to see Jimi's name used for things that really DON'T sound like or relate to him but just exploit the name. I totally agree. If you're going to do something like that then you have a responsibility there to back that up with some authentic effort in modeling or whatever it is otherwise it is JUST fluff. I personally think that this product can easily sell without the JH name just as much for its content... but it's just fun to and an honor to do it this way too so... well, that's what it is!

Just don't miss out on it though!!!! It's REALLLLLLY nice.

[Squids]

I am going to have to assume that IK had to pay to use JH's name.
And I am curious if this would have made a big difference in our cost if instead it was named Amplitube 60's reissue or something like that.
rsp

Yes, of course, but no difference in cost because a certain price point was trying to be reached and the manufacturer sometimes has to make a sacrifice. That said, it is based on AT engine which has been very successful and a great foundation to build a product like this (also that you don't have to wait years for). I was trying to tell you guys about this new plateau that would be worth waiting for in that monster thread. Ampeg SVX was fast, this is fast because it uses the framework structure and DSM plus other techniques from AT2.

[zvenx]

"Just don't miss out on it though!!!! It's REALLLLLLY nice."

yes I will check it out once the demo is available.
thanks
rsp

[Squids]

Anyway like I said different strokes for different folks.
I would consider that when Studio Vision Pro first came out and incorporated Audio and Midi that was mindblowing. I would consider Midi as mind blowing.
I would consider Reason when it first come out as mindblowing.
I would consider Stylus RMX as mind blowing.
I would consider when Line 6 or whoever first came out with guitar effects modelling and guitar modelling on the whole.
What came out was nice, probably very very nice, but imho not mindblowing.
rsp

Sure. It's mind blowing to me how's that? But then I am one who REALLY gets into studios, the gear, the guys who make records all the time and I like to get my hands on that. I am not implying that we've reinvented midi or anything (that's next haha). But, also when you hear these drums it IS mind blowing and you guys might be surprised how much you can hear a difference or at the very least you will be able to tell that it sounds stellar.

[beergeek]

Hey Funky,

I'm sorry...I get where you're coming fom now...but not everyone who admires Hendrix is creepy or cultish. My point is that just because a "brand name" is associated with a product, it doesn't invalidate it...doesn't mean it's all that either but I know I've never been disappointed with an IK product.

--Rob

[zvenx]

just so you know you have now probably given us unrealistic expectations

rsp

[andywright67]

Cheers for the info Squids, I hope those guys allows it. I'm always looking for more drums, can't get enough

[funkychickendance]

Hey Funky,

I'm sorry...I get where you're coming fom now...but not everyone who admires Hendrix is creepy or cultish. My point is that just because a "brand name" is associated with a product, it doesn't invalidate it...doesn't mean it's all that either but I know I've never been disappointed with an IK product.

--Rob

That's okay, I was having a bad day. Maybe you too, cos I was not saying that you're untalented, or anything along those lines. Driving back from town just now I was listening to some old Traffic and thinking "nice tone," but also thinking "shitty production" and 'all over the shop arrangement.' Then laughing, because one person's SP or AOTSA is another's nirvana.

There's few enough of us old musicians around still playing for us to bicker about small stuff. As I implied to Squidz, I'll give this Hendrix stuff a listen. I don't buy much guitar effectology, cos I reckon that me plus iZotope is a pretty good fit, for now. But, who knows? I buy lots of stuff, that's for sure.

/fnx

[funkychickendance]

You want to know something HILARIOUS? We ARE coming out with a Keith Emerson Collection!!!!! Haha. Sonic Reality sponsored Keith to help him stay in the US and I am a long time friend of his tech Will Alexander who sampled Keith's modulars, rare GX-1, Hammond with his settings and other assorted vintage keyboard sounds. It should be out this year!

I'd probably go for that, funnily enough. GX-1 is a very, very rare beast, and he used a lot of strange settings in general. Keep the price under control, eh?

/fnx

[telebunke]

I am going to have to assume that IK had to pay to use JH's name.
And I am curious if this would have made a big difference in our cost if instead it was named Amplitube 60's reissue or something like that.
rsp

Next thing users ask for is to take a look at squid's bank account.

tele

[telebunke]

You want to know something HILARIOUS? We ARE coming out with a Keith Emerson Collection!!!!!

How many aces are you hiding in your sleeves, D.K.Squids? Lot's of them I suppose, cause squids does have more than 2 of them.
But am I right to say that quite a bunch of what we'd consider a "Keith Emerson" sound patch can be achieved with tweaking and layering the SS2 patches?
What would you put on top to make it unique?

tele

[BERFAB]

You want to know something HILARIOUS? We ARE coming out with a Keith Emerson Collection!!!!!

How many aces are you hiding in your sleeves, D.K.Squids? Lot's of them I suppose, cause squids does have more than 2 of them.
But am I right to say that quite a bunch of what we'd consider a "Keith Emerson" sound patch can be achieved with tweaking and layering the SS2 patches?
What would you put on top to make it unique?

tele

KNIVES!

Cheers
-B