new compressor from Urs?

[Kingston]

squeeze things as extremely as the Distressor can

let's see. At least marquis, 1176 models by two companies already, oh and GAG-1. at least.

Distressor *really* isn't the bees knees, you know. It's just a yet another flavour of compression, and that really doesn't make it any special compared to the digital counterparts. And that yet another flavour of compression is not attributed to any species of BLACKVOODOO analogue magic elves.

I wonder if people will ever stop worshiping them.

[beej]

"Blackvoodoo Magic Elves" would be a great name for a band...

[bmanic]

squeeze things as extremely as the Distressor can

let's see. At least marquis, 1176 models by two companies already, oh and GAG-1. at least.

Bullshit. Total bullshit. Trust me, I've tried to get that backwards playing effect. Impossible as far as I know.. I gave up after several hours of fine tuning with all the compressor plugins and hardware that I have available.

Distressor *really* isn't the bees knees, you know. It's just a yet another flavour of compression, and that really doesn't make it any special compared to the digital counterparts. And that yet another flavour of compression is not attributed to any species of BLACKVOODOO analogue magic elves.

I wonder if people will ever stop worshiping them.

Again, bullshit generalization. This is just YOUR opinion and I definitely do not share it, at all.

- bManic

[Kingston]

Bullshit. Total bullshit. Trust me, Again, bullshit generalization.

well I'm glad you managed to articulate your preference so well.

with the Elysia Alpha we're talking about some odd exploit of a $12 000 compressor. There's what, 3 of them in the whole of Europe as we speak so we'll just leave it at that.

And I still maintain the effect has absolutely nothing to do with BLACKVOODOO analog magic elves, but the actual sidechain/signal path design, which I would say could be replicated in digital form with ease, if the Elysia group was ever interested in that.

Please, come out of that restrictive analog reality warp of yours. It's 2007.

[bmanic]

Please, come out of that restrictive analog reality warp of yours. It's 2007.

Eh? I'm not the one on a silly crusade here. You my friend seem to have some weird "anti-analogue-whatever-plugins-do-absolutely-everything-perfectly-well, so if you think otherwise you are living in an illusion" kind of mission to inform the world about your superior mixing, engineering, coding, all encompassing experience. Frankly, I think you've been acting quite strange lately.. wassup with that?

EDIT: I think I stated a very clear opinion that there are certain things that the plugins can not pull off. I even specifically hinted towards the possible sillyness of it all as even I can't think of situations where this extreme compression is needed (other than as an extravagant artistic tool or just as an example of weird behaviour). However, this still doesn't mean that plugins can do the same. They can't. Period.

- bManic

[pough]

Frankly, I think you've been acting quite strange lately.. wassup with that?

Fortnightly visits from BLACKVOODOO analog magic elves? Head spinning from MFM2 settings gone awry? Too much XXXX?

[bmanic]

And I still maintain the effect has absolutely nothing to do with BLACKVOODOO analog magic elves, but the actual sidechain/signal path design, which I would say could be replicated in digital form with ease, if the Elysia group was ever interested in that.

Also, this is totally irrelevant to what I said. I'm sure somebody could code a compressor that outperforms or even models the Elysia 99% accurately but the fact still remains that there is no such plugin right now, today.

Looks like you really try to say something else and read my message with some different agenda instead of just reading it as a single statement of my own opinion.

EDIT: actually, thinking about it a bit more, it seems that you think about things in a more "coder" view than me. I do not look for the future and what would be / should be possible, I instead look at the 'now' of what is possible to achieve with the tools I currently have, with minimal fuzz (I'm sure I could get some interesting compression action by linking many different plugins in the sidechain of a compressor but that's not the point).

EDIT2: sorry about the constant editing.. I'm in "think as I write" mode today.

- bManic

[Kingston]

there's a difference between anti-analog and disillusioned-by-analog (and anything even remotely audiophiliac). I don't advocate any kind of fanaticism either way with the old analog vs. digital. Really, technology has come a long way since '97, but old habits die hard. You should know better than that.

the rest of your posting looks like an odd form of personal attack so we'll just leave it at that.

[bmanic]

there's a difference between anti-analog and disillusioned-by-analog (and anything even remotely audiophiliac). I don't advocate any kind of fanaticism either way with the old analog vs. digital.

Eh? Could you please quote the exact line where I come out as an analogue fanatic? I simply point out some extreme end of things a compressor can do that the plugins I currently own can not do. Does that suddenly make me an analogue fanatic? I mean, what the hell?

- bManic

[Kingston]

(I'm sure I could get some interesting compression action by linking many different plugins in the sidechain of a compressor but that's not the point).

but that's precisely the point. With todays compressors - whether analog or digital - we're only discussing different flavours of compression, which I twice tried to point out already. It works both ways. There exists no analog Marquis, nor digital Elysia.

You seem to maintain there's still some form of digitally unattainable analog magic, a concept of which I disagree with rather heavily.

Yes, there's certainly a dose of analog fanaticism with your posting.

Instead of saying one can't get this or that characteristic of Elysia in digital form, one could just as validly point out plenty unique extreme characteristics of Marquis that are impossible to replicate in analog form. Of course, an self-confessed analog aficionado would have trouble making that leap.

[bmanic]

You seem to maintain there's still some form of digitally unattainable analog magic, a concept of which I disagree with rather heavily.

No, it is YOU who force yourself to believe that I have that view.

I'm talking about TOOLS, not the method. I don't care if the box is a magic gimmick from outer space or a plugin. I don't CARE. The results is the only thing I care about and like I already said, I TRIED, many times to get this specific backwards sounding effect, without success. I'm sure it is possible if somebody puts enough time into trying hundreds of plugin combinations but I don't have the patience nor the will to do that. In the end what counts is the result, not how you got there.

Yes, there's certainly a dose of analog fanaticism with your posting.

I'm still waiting for the exact quotes that make me look like an analogue fanatic..

- bManic

[pough]

ou seem to maintain there's still some form of digitally unattainable analog magic, a concept of which I disagree with rather heavily.

Actually, I thought he was saying it's unattainable simply because nobody's made it yet. Why would he be asking someone to make it if he didn't think it was possible?

[Kingston]

ou seem to maintain there's still some form of digitally unattainable analog magic, a concept of which I disagree with rather heavily.

Actually, I thought he was saying it's unattainable simply because nobody's made it yet. Why would he be asking someone to make it if he didn't think it was possible?

well he entered the thread by agreeing with original flipper, who jumped straight to analog voodoohoodoo, which is also why I took everything he said with a heavy dose of skepticism.

[bmanic]

ou seem to maintain there's still some form of digitally unattainable analog magic, a concept of which I disagree with rather heavily.

Actually, I thought he was saying it's unattainable simply because nobody's made it yet. Why would he be asking someone to make it if he didn't think it was possible?

Exactly. Thank you. So simple, so elegantly put.

I even specifically said that this particular "backwards" playing or extreme compression artifact was not necessarily even usable within a musical content but never the less, this agreed with original flipper's opinion that there are certain extreme compression things that the plugins can not, AFAIK, achieve on their own.

- bManic

[pdxindy]

So, I hear Urs might be releasing a compressor?