new compressor from Urs?

[pough]

...agreeing with original flipper, who jumped straight to analog voodoohoodoo...

has not been touched upon in software ... yet.

Looks more like "I'm sure it could be done if someone decided to do it" to me. Either way, the BlackVoodoo Analog Elves really is a great band name. A collab, using only digital, perhaps?

[bmanic]

ou seem to maintain there's still some form of digitally unattainable analog magic, a concept of which I disagree with rather heavily.

Actually, I thought he was saying it's unattainable simply because nobody's made it yet. Why would he be asking someone to make it if he didn't think it was possible?

well he entered the thread by agreeing with original flipper, who jumped straight to analog voodoohoodoo, which is also why I took everything he said with a heavy dose of skepticism.

Kind of typical of you Kingston to read exactly what you need to hear and put all the weight on a particular passage. Maybe in the future I need to do much more precise quotes so that you don't get confused. If you read my post right after Original Flipper's post then it is pretty evident that it is this part of his post that I agreed with:

HI

The idea of a compressor that is more like an 'effect' is something I have rambled on about before - quite simply a 'super sucktion/pumping' that some analogue hardware could achieve has not been touched upon in software ... yet.

I don't care what or how it is acomplished but I would love a compressor/effect that gives a really exagerated sucking/pumping effect (this is starting to sound a bit carnal?).

That "sucktion/pumping" effect is that same thing that I meant. Also, original flipper clearly says "I don't care what or how it is acomplished..", again, I wholeheartedly agree. It's the end result, the tool needed, NOT the "how you do it", that counts. And no single compressor plugin can, as far as I know, do this extreme sucktion/pumping/backwards playing properly.

Instead of you seeing me agree with this, you simply jumped right into the "analogue-voodoo" witch hunt that you so clearly are on.

- bManic

[Kingston]

Either way, the BlackVoodoo Analog Elves really is a great band name. A collab, using only digital, perhaps?

well I did write blackvoodoo magic elves down on my note slip of misc. things to remember. Maybe it'll amount to a project name one day.

might also work well in a stoner rock verse chant type thing.

[bmanic]

As a little example, here is a slap bass loop reversed.

Slap bass loop reversed.

Now I know this is not exactly how this loop would sound coming out of the distressor but it has the similar sucktion of the reverse passages. The distressor when using it's shortest release and the 'nuke' setting, to achieve that extreme pumping (basically it's the ratio set to 30:1 or something like that), distorts a lot. However, when doing a kind of similar trick on the Elysia Alpha compressor, it has nearly zero distortion, which makes the whole pumping/backwards effect feel so unreal.

Also note that the effect of this extreme compression is NOT identical to simply reversing a loop. It is quite a bit different. The best way to describe it is that it's a "blend" of both backwards and forwards looping with that typical compressor fast attack 'blip' or 'snap' at each transient.

There really is no way to describe this sound so I will try to email Dominique at Elysia and ask him to get us an example of this.. lets see if I can dial in an Alpha compressor from a distance, using just an image of the thing..

- bManic

[original flipper]

HI

I see your point 'Kingston' ... (in direct answer to my post - not what followed).

But I am yet to hear a software plug that produces an effect that results into what amounts to a delayed/sucking effect.

I can think of ways of creativly replicating the effect (delaying a drum hit, reversing the sample and adding comnpression) - but I would prefer a creative plug that could do that.

I can't tell you what hardware DID create that effect, I can tell you that a track by Peter Tosh called Johnny. B. goode had this type of 'effect' on it (the drums) though.

So perhaps I am talking about something that is not really a compressor?

Maybe people shouldn't get too particular about calling the 'effect' that of a compressor?

All I know is that it's something that I would like - call it what you will.

Flipper.

[bmanic]

Ok, here is another example of the reverse sucktion thing. I've tried to approximate this thing using the FL Studio slicer channel and some pretty complex, multiple sidechain routing, inside Energy XT (using two GAG-1, one gate, one to duck, + OtiumFX BeatPuncher with sidechain).

Here are the sound files:

Original slap bass loop

Reverse sucktion wannabe

Again, this is just a crude approximation of what is possible to do with the distressor and elysia alpha compressor (and probably with the DBX 160x which has a really weird knee shape).

Cheers!
bManic

[bmanic]

The only plugin compressor that I managed to get into the sameish ballpark as the distressor for the backwards effect was the BlueCat Dynamics. It is unfortunately still much too "grainy" in a bad way, even at 2 times oversampling. Also the 'glitches' that happen are much too coarse.. they feel like small pulse blocks instead of incredibly tiny, smooth little impulses. It's like trying to get that very small tiny 'Zap!' sound on a VSTi using only the filters self oscillation and a very fast envelope attack/decay setting. Unless the envelope is running at full audio rate then this thing is nearly impossible to pull off neatly.

Here is the BlueCat Dynamics version

Here is the preset.

- bManic

[jupiter8]

So what you're all saying is that you want Urs's new compressor to suck ?

[bmanic]

So what you're all saying is that you want Urs's new compressor to suck ?

Most definitely not. Rather we are hoping that his compressor can pull off some tricks that other plugins can't.

- bManic

[Urs]

As I said, no pumping, no extremes. No tube or tape saturation. Just plain compression, expansion, limiting. Certainly a few nice things/extras here and there. We'll see...

[bmanic]

Aww... we all like pumping, no?

- bManic

[krank]

I'm just curious - why talk about Blockfish and the Fishfillets suite, if it's actually a different product using completely new code? What is meant by stating it will do everything that Blockfish does - will it really be possible to dial in any sound that Blockfish could produce?

[tylenol]

I'm just curious - why talk about Blockfish and the Fishfillets suite, if it's actually a different product using completely new code? What is meant by stating it will do everything that Blockfish does - will it really be possible to dial in any sound that Blockfish could produce?

I think this is partly just an accident. It first came up publically because Urs ported the fish fillets to os x, and somewhere (on BBL?) someone made some comment like "I would pay Urs to make UB versions". And Urs said something like "now that you mention it, I do have a dynamics suite in beta, which though it is not the fish fillets, fills that gap." (Fish fillets can't actually be ported, for legal reasons.) Although presumably Urs decided there was demand for a similarly-functioning suite because he got so many questions about UB fish fillets.

[politcat]

As I said, no pumping, no extremes. No tube or tape saturation. Just plain compression, expansion, limiting. Certainly a few nice things/extras here and there. We'll see...

looking fwd to that!

[Urs]

I'm just curious - why talk about Blockfish and the Fishfillets suite, if it's actually a different product using completely new code? What is meant by stating it will do everything that Blockfish does - will it really be possible to dial in any sound that Blockfish could produce?

I think this is partly just an accident. It first came up publically because Urs ported the fish fillets to os x, and somewhere (on BBL?) someone made some comment like "I would pay Urs to make UB versions". And Urs said something like "now that you mention it, I do have a dynamics suite in beta, which though it is not the fish fillets, fills that gap." (Fish fillets can't actually be ported, for legal reasons.) Although presumably Urs decided there was demand for a similarly-functioning suite because he got so many questions about UB fish fillets.

Well, Fishphones does

Multiband Compression
Compression
Gate/Expansion
De-essing
Transient Mangling

u-he dynamics tools are going to do all of these as well, with different algorithms (faster, more pleasing to my ears)

That's what I meant when saying it does all that Fish does.

Honestly, even if I could use Sascha's algorithms, there's no point in using them.

Later,

Urs