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politcat · Post by **politcat** » Sat Nov 17, 2007 5:09 pm

thank you all!

clueless · Post by **clueless** » Sun Nov 18, 2007 9:51 pm

politcat wrote:<feeling clueless>

i don't believe we've been formally introduced.

bagginz · Post by **bagginz** » Mon Nov 19, 2007 2:12 am

This one's a bit more ecclesiastic...

http://www.sendspace.com/file/wj4jk6

enjoy,
bagginz

Echo Voodoo · Post by **Echo Voodoo** » Mon Nov 19, 2007 4:17 am

bagginz wrote:This one's a bit more ecclesiastic...

http://www.sendspace.com/file/wj4jk6

enjoy,
bagginz

Very nice sound, love it. Heavy on the cpu here, but that seems to be the case for every good choir patch.

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Mon Nov 19, 2007 10:58 am

Nice one Mr bagginz! Thanks

Urs

symplectiq · Post by **symplectiq** » Sun Dec 16, 2007 7:15 pm

http://www.sendspace.com/file/vfz0cv

The patch is shitty I know (hence the name). But what I want to know is how to get a good choir. For example the audio demo of Thor sounds like a bunch of nuns in church for sure. Is it a wavetable or is there a different formant filter? Can Zebra's FF be improved somehow?

symplectiq · Post by **symplectiq** » Mon Dec 17, 2007 6:33 pm

Bagginz can you upload once more your patch or mp3. Most of the links are dead in this thread.

mkastrup · Post by **mkastrup** » Fri Dec 28, 2007 7:19 pm

Have faith we WILL get choirs for Zebra, it just take some time to figure out which method is best and i'm still trying

From my BLOG

Zebra Choir Patch

One of the things i also want to get right is a decent choir thing for Zebra. While its fairly easy to come up with a few voice like notes in an isolated place its another ballgame when you want the entire keyrange to produce a choir. You often end up with chipmonk voices in the upper register of the keyboard. So the trick is to come up with something that avoid the chipmonk thing and have close to a full keyboard range.

Here is a try for a Uhh Choir:

http://www.michaelkastrup.com/synthdemo ... Uhh_01.mp3

For this patch i'm using 2 OSC and i hope i can come up with a Ahh Choir with the remaining OSC's so i can make a crossfade patch between Uhh and Ahh.

Zebra Choir Wavetable

Ok being the geek i am i tried to see just how far i could take the 2 choir oscillators and avoid using more osc's but see if i could paint some waveforms that could fit the original setup. So i ended up with very soft uhh to more airy uhh to more ahh to more ooh using all 16 wavetable slots. In all 4 specific waveforms which blends into eachother.

This is all controlled by Velocity so if i play soft i get the very soft uhh and if i play max hard i get the canned ooh sound and if i play somewhere between i get the airy uhh and the ahh's.

The ahh and ooh sounds have to much can sound over it but i cant change that without affecting the uhhs.. sooo hmm

Here goes a little christmas tune:

http://www.michaelkastrup.com/synthdemo ... etable.mp3

/Michael

politcat · Post by **politcat** » Fri Dec 28, 2007 11:44 pm

mkastrup, that is impressive. What happens if the attack is slowed a bit?

mkastrup · Post by **mkastrup** » Sat Dec 29, 2007 12:33 am

politcat wrote:mkastrup, that is impressive. What happens if the attack is slowed a bit?

Hi politcat

Well nothing happens other than the choir comes in more slowly, might have to compensate with the one osc which is doing the glide thing if one was to make a very slow attack. But the patch can play dead on or relaxed into next year in slowness i should think.

I just ran your MP3 demo of the choir you have in mind and to me it sounded more like a female choir than a male choir, thou there are some male voices. The patch i'm working on is a mixed male and boys choir. Perhaps i should start looking for a female timbre somewhere.

Cheers

/Michael

politcat · Post by **politcat** » Sat Dec 29, 2007 2:00 pm

mkastrup wrote:
politcat wrote:mkastrup, that is impressive. What happens if the attack is slowed a bit?
Hi politcat

Well nothing happens other than the choir comes in more slowly,

I was asking cuz sometimes the initial sound is a bit accented before settling into the body, a bit percussive(?)

you know, like strings, choirs can swell very smoothly from a soft initial sound like "la", without a hard consonant in front.

i'm just learning how patches are created so my explanations are vague.

mkastrup · Post by **mkastrup** » Sat Dec 29, 2007 7:56 pm

politcat wrote:
mkastrup wrote:
politcat wrote:mkastrup, that is impressive. What happens if the attack is slowed a bit?
Hi politcat

Well nothing happens other than the choir comes in more slowly,
I was asking cuz sometimes the initial sound is a bit accented before settling into the body, a bit percussive(?)

you know, like strings, choirs can swell very smoothly from a soft initial sound like "la", without a hard consonant in front.

i'm just learning how patches are created so my explanations are vague.

These are pure tones and if i took the attack down to zero then they would play like an organ without a percussive attack. Osc 1 has a tad modulation and Osc 2 has a glide upwards effect to produce the bending up on a tone when you try to sing it. You seldom sing a note straight out of the box but start of a roughly 2-3 semitones lower and then bend and put pressure to your voice to hit the correct tone. This is what gives the choir effect and the more oscillator doing it will produce a bigger-broader choir. If i wanted the choir bigger i would add a new Osc 3 with another modulation than Osc 1 and Osc 4 would have a glide effect with lesser attack plus be slightly of key.

/Michael