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mkastrup · Post by **mkastrup** » Sat Aug 02, 2008 10:41 am

Need an OFF switch for the OSC drift ASAP, i'm getting dizzy here. No matter what i try to create which is non-detuned comes out like an old ARP which is just about to be given its last rites and i find my self trying to mask the out of pitch thing instead of finishing the damn preset.

The NDC Tune It! A freeware VST tuner for Mac and Win can be found here:

http://www.kvraudio.com/get/821.html

/Michael

MitchK1989 · Post by **MitchK1989** » Sat Aug 02, 2008 11:43 am

mkastrup wrote:Need an OFF switch for the OSC drift ASAP, i'm getting dizzy here. No matter what i try to create which is non-detuned comes out like an old ARP which is just about to be given its last rites and i find my self trying to mask the out of pitch thing instead of finishing the damn preset.

The NDC Tune It! A freeware VST tuner for Mac and Win can be found here:

http://www.kvraudio.com/get/821.html

/Michael

Are you talking about the Demo limitation?

mkastrup · Post by **mkastrup** » Sat Aug 02, 2008 1:20 pm

MitchK1989 wrote:
mkastrup wrote:Need an OFF switch for the OSC drift ASAP, i'm getting dizzy here. No matter what i try to create which is non-detuned comes out like an old ARP which is just about to be given its last rites and i find my self trying to mask the out of pitch thing instead of finishing the damn preset.

The NDC Tune It! A freeware VST tuner for Mac and Win can be found here:

http://www.kvraudio.com/get/821.html

/Michael
Are you talking about the Demo limitation?

No this is the latest registred may 27th build. Try download the Tune It software and then try hit a key on the default preset without using the ModFX.

The pitch of each key hit will randomly vary from 439.2 to 440.8. Its a cool thing for analoge detuned emulations but a disaster for digital recreations and locked phase oscillators. Its not that obvious though because most people go for the detune thing as one of the first thing in a preset so the emultated OSC drift gets masked within the detuning and people dont notice the difference other than they percieve it as a nice osc spread

Most of my setups are all Zebra sounds and having a full arrangements of sounds and instruments that goes of like drunken sailor is killing me. If it only were 1 or 2 instruments in a mixed arrangements of various synth etc..then it might not be a big problem, but to have it all go OSC drift on me is like hearing someone scratching a chalkboard using nails or at least it have the same affect on me.

/Michael

kuniklo · Post by **kuniklo** » Mon Aug 04, 2008 5:46 pm

The midi program change stuff is great to have but I really prefer the way NI's synths handle it. There are two big drawbacks with the current Z2 implementation:

1. all instances share a single folder
2. the patch information is stored outside all projects, in the root filesystem

In NI's implementation I can store a different patch list for each instance and that patch list is saved in the song, so the song is mostly a self-contained unit.

The *ideal* way for this to work (IMO) would be that each instance of Zebra stores it's own bank of 128 sounds and that the *complete* bank of sounds is stored with the song, instead of pointers to patches like NI's system. This way I can be fairly sure that if I back up an entire project folder, including samples, I'll have everything I need to load the song up later.

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Mon Aug 04, 2008 6:05 pm

kuniklo wrote:The *ideal* way for this to work (IMO) would be that each instance of Zebra stores it's own bank of 128 sounds and that the *complete* bank of sounds is stored with the song, instead of pointers to patches like NI's system. This way I can be fairly sure that if I back up an entire project folder, including samples, I'll have everything I need to load the song up later.

The problem therein is, a plugin can not distinguish between "save to patch" and "store with song". Any patch would then consist of, say, 100+ sub-patches. At 50+ kB per pacth this easily gets in the Megabyte range.

I'll add bank selects for subfolders within "Midi Programs". That must do

kuniklo · Post by **kuniklo** » Mon Aug 04, 2008 6:09 pm

Urs wrote:At 50+ kB per pacth this easily gets in the Megabyte range.

I'll add bank selects for subfolders within "Midi Programs". That must do

I've got 50+ *gigabytes* of samples to chase around on my hard drive. A few extra megabytes per song don't scare me at all, particularly if they improve my confidence that I'll be able to load up and play *any* of my current tunes on a new computer in five years. I already store multiple copies of various drum kits *in* each song folder for the same reason.

Subfolders would be an improvement over the current system though.

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Thu Aug 07, 2008 3:54 pm

Yo,

With some luck (approvement by beta team) we will have a new version up and running tomorrow! This version fixes the ZRev-AUValidation-crash (thanks ttoz!), missing Drift-disable (hello mkastrup!), formerly malfunctioning Env-Attack as modulation target (Howie needs it!), phasedly starting Oscillators, Single Trigger MSEG out-of-sync in Arpeggiator and maybe one or two things I simply forgot about.

Fingers crossed!

Urs

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Thu Aug 07, 2008 3:55 pm

kuniklo wrote:Subfolders would be an improvement over the current system though.

I'm on it, but won't make it before vacation...

kuniklo · Post by **kuniklo** » Thu Aug 07, 2008 4:03 pm

Urs wrote:
kuniklo wrote:Subfolders would be an improvement over the current system though.
I'm on it, but won't make it before vacation...

Fantastic! Enjoy your vacation. The last thing we need is a U-He burnout.

mabian · Post by **mabian** » Thu Aug 07, 2008 4:03 pm

"New version" means 2.2.1 official release or new public beta?

Thanks,
Mario

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Thu Aug 07, 2008 4:15 pm

mabian wrote:"New version" means 2.2.1 official release or new public beta?

New beta...

I think 2.2.1 will never be released... it'll jump straight to 2.5...

Vectorman · Post by **Vectorman** » Thu Aug 07, 2008 5:54 pm

Now that the kinks with the new features appear to be worked out, I guess I should finally plan to update tomorrow, eh? I think I'm still using a build from August 2007 or thereabouts, LOL.

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Thu Aug 07, 2008 8:01 pm

Vectorman wrote:I think I'm still using a build from August 2007 or thereabouts, LOL.

Now, that's even pre-2.2 from January, isn't it?

Vectorman · Post by **Vectorman** » Fri Aug 08, 2008 1:38 am

I think I'm on 22b5...I believe that was the update I grabbed in order to get suthnear's Microwave XT/Prophet VS oscillator presets to work for me when he rolled them out about a year ago, and it's been so stable and generally awesome for me in Sonar that I've never gotten up the courage to mess with it. But after a year of using the same version, I guess it's time I finally catch up to all the other Z2 users.

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Fri Aug 08, 2008 11:21 am

Yo, new beta is up!

Win user please note: If you have "Everything in Vstplugins", that is, a directory called "Zebra2.data" next to the .dlls, then you need the pre-installed download. Everybody else please just run the installer & done.

This should fix most little niggles that we had.

Cheers,

Urs

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