Does this mean the FX version isn't going to happen or just that it's not going to happen on this round?Urs wrote: Nope. I'll have an update to 2.3 pretty soon. There's not enough time and energy to finish the FX version, hence I won't call it 2.5
Zebra 2.3 Released!
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- KVRAF
- 2875 posts since 28 Jan, 2004 from Da Nang, Vietnam
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- u-he
- Topic Starter
- 30194 posts since 8 Aug, 2002 from Berlin
Just the latterkuniklo wrote:Does this mean the FX version isn't going to happen or just that it's not going to happen on this round?Urs wrote: Nope. I'll have an update to 2.3 pretty soon. There's not enough time and energy to finish the FX version, hence I won't call it 2.5
Zebrify is in the works, but I'm facing such a load of work, I have to get rid of some pressure and focus on the main issues. Otherwise I won't finish anything at all...
I hope to be able to concentrate on Zebrify soon, but I'd rather make it really good than rush it.
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- KVRAF
- 2875 posts since 28 Jan, 2004 from Da Nang, Vietnam
I'll be happy to have it whenever you have time to finish it. I think it could be an exceptionally powerful FX plugin but I'm also looking forward to the other things in the U-He pipeline.Urs wrote: I hope to be able to concentrate on Zebrify soon, but I'd rather make it really good than rush it.
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- KVRAF
- 2911 posts since 3 Mar, 2006
Seconded. I look forward to EVERYTHING in the U-He pipeline... Probably most exciting is uhbik, followed by the filterscape update.kuniklo wrote:I'll be happy to have it whenever you have time to finish it. I think it could be an exceptionally powerful FX plugin but I'm also looking forward to the other things in the U-He pipeline.Urs wrote: I hope to be able to concentrate on Zebrify soon, but I'd rather make it really good than rush it.
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- KVRian
- 505 posts since 27 Feb, 2007
Basically any patch with detuned 11 saws and phase doesnt sound as good as it could, its not possible to do the same things what i did in the JP-8000 supersaw example.I mean EXACTLY the same thing. But it is possible to do in synth1 cause its detune is very accurate to the one from Roland synth.I only would like you to listen to the synth1 and take a look,maybe implement something similar , i doubt that you will ,but at least i tried.Just compare synth1 and zebra2 , move synth1 detune to value1 and zebra to value 1 ,synth1 is way more detuned and you can hear this characteristic high pitched squeak sound,in zebra sound is somewhat similar but you wont hear this squaky high sound,why ? I dont know.
Im not engineer i telling what i noticed in synths ,what i also hear is that in synth1 phase of oscillators while detuning is constant and you can hear the phase but is also very smooth and not so noticeable.
Im not engineer i telling what i noticed in synths ,what i also hear is that in synth1 phase of oscillators while detuning is constant and you can hear the phase but is also very smooth and not so noticeable.
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- KVRAF
- 4197 posts since 23 May, 2004 from Bad Vilbel, Germany
Why expect values to correspond exactly? Detune = 1 in Synth1 is equivalent to 1.3 (or thereabouts) in Zebra's Eleven.bwwd wrote:Just compare synth1 and zebra2, move synth1 detune to value 1 and zebra to value 1, synth1 is way more detuned and you can hear this characteristic high pitched squeak sound, in zebra sound is somewhat similar but you wont hear this squaky high sound, why? I dont know.
If I understand correctly, you want static phase in Eleven. Easy, but because Zebra2 is sound-designer-heaven, it offers more options than e.g. Synth1. Assuming you are using the latest Beta, use a saw in Eleven mode, switch Voice Drift to Off, minimize osc Width (!) and set Detune to 1.3. Basta... you won't notice any difference except that Z2 is more hi-fi. Roll off some high frequencies if you mustIm not engineer i telling what i noticed in synths ,what i also hear is that in synth1 phase of oscillators while detuning is constant and you can hear the phase but is also very smooth and not so noticeable.
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- KVRian
- 548 posts since 5 Jun, 2002 from way back when...
About the release:
Please bring out the stable 2.x patch sooner rather than later. While the fx sound fun and useful, I'm holding off on the Zebra beta until an official release. Partially because it means I'm going to loose my dark horse skin, but also I'm holding out to see the new goodies when you they're finalized, though honestly, some of the more esoteric stuff will probably be lost on me.
Please bring out the stable 2.x patch sooner rather than later. While the fx sound fun and useful, I'm holding off on the Zebra beta until an official release. Partially because it means I'm going to loose my dark horse skin, but also I'm holding out to see the new goodies when you they're finalized, though honestly, some of the more esoteric stuff will probably be lost on me.
Now Somewhat Retired
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- Banned
- 6129 posts since 9 Oct, 2007 from an inharmonious society
Hi, I just tried the latest beta of Zebra2, and it does NOT work on my system.
I cannot click on anything. The GUI does not function at all. The only buttons I can click on are the top right info & size. Everything else cannot be selected. I do get sound, but cannot select a preset.
My system is a MacOSX 10.3.9, G4Powerbook,1.33mhz. Using Ableton Live 6.
I only tried the AU. I repaired permissions after install, and tried it using a mouse & wacom tablet.
Later,
Mike
I cannot click on anything. The GUI does not function at all. The only buttons I can click on are the top right info & size. Everything else cannot be selected. I do get sound, but cannot select a preset.
My system is a MacOSX 10.3.9, G4Powerbook,1.33mhz. Using Ableton Live 6.
I only tried the AU. I repaired permissions after install, and tried it using a mouse & wacom tablet.
Later,
Mike
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- Banned
- 6129 posts since 9 Oct, 2007 from an inharmonious society
Oh great, I,m a complete idiot. I didn't back up the last update before replacing it with the new update. (i thought i had a backup on another drive).
Now I can't find the July update version, which 90% of my presets were made with. I'm screwed, unless you still have a link to the July(last) update, as I can't use this new update.
edit: I downloaded the last know good one from the 1st page of this thread.
Thanks,
Mike
Now I can't find the July update version, which 90% of my presets were made with. I'm screwed, unless you still have a link to the July(last) update, as I can't use this new update.
edit: I downloaded the last know good one from the 1st page of this thread.
Thanks,
Mike
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- KVRian
- 505 posts since 27 Feb, 2007
I expected them to be similar but not by exact numbers but somewhere inbetween (would be insane to expect knobs in different synths to act 100% similar) but they arent too similar , you wrote your "advices" like if you thought that i spent 5 minutes with zebra without any experiments.
I tried width,phase on off , every knob value.But if its something more that i need to add to the matrix to get similar detune like in Roland then let me know.I tried LFO in phase but still cant come close.
I dont expected detune to be like that because "i want and thats it" ,i expected it cause its suppose to mimic supersaw in some way and i would like it to be really accurate.And i know that you would tell "zebra2 is not meant to be roland emulator or whatever emulator so why should this be like that?".And i would say , its a supersaw mode , i had JP-8K and i know how it sounds and i can hear big difference here.I wanted to replicate the effect with making nice analog strings just with detune knob but i cant because of detune and phase,they still need work IMO.It is probably made by mathematic comparisions and countings etc. but its theory ,in practice i doubt it was tested side by side with real supersaw oscillator.
I know Zebra2 is much more advanced and complicated synth , its modular synth , i know what it is.
route everything to everything.
But straight out of the box when i switch to 11 saws mode ,turn phase knob up and width down then it doesnt sound so nice on detune , sure its detuning the sound ,but not as smooth like in Roland or synth1,and phasing effect is easy to hear and very fast.
But if you really think that synth1 and Zebra2 sound very similar on chords in detune mode then well...
So how i can make phase to act like in synth1 ?But even if ill do it then i still think the sound wont be that accurate like i expect,because more detune is needed and more stacked oscillators(well... saws , more than 11,or different phase algorithm).
I tried width,phase on off , every knob value.But if its something more that i need to add to the matrix to get similar detune like in Roland then let me know.I tried LFO in phase but still cant come close.I dont expected detune to be like that because "i want and thats it" ,i expected it cause its suppose to mimic supersaw in some way and i would like it to be really accurate.And i know that you would tell "zebra2 is not meant to be roland emulator or whatever emulator so why should this be like that?".And i would say , its a supersaw mode , i had JP-8K and i know how it sounds and i can hear big difference here.I wanted to replicate the effect with making nice analog strings just with detune knob but i cant because of detune and phase,they still need work IMO.It is probably made by mathematic comparisions and countings etc. but its theory ,in practice i doubt it was tested side by side with real supersaw oscillator.
I know Zebra2 is much more advanced and complicated synth , its modular synth , i know what it is.
route everything to everything.But straight out of the box when i switch to 11 saws mode ,turn phase knob up and width down then it doesnt sound so nice on detune , sure its detuning the sound ,but not as smooth like in Roland or synth1,and phasing effect is easy to hear and very fast.
But if you really think that synth1 and Zebra2 sound very similar on chords in detune mode then well...
So how i can make phase to act like in synth1 ?But even if ill do it then i still think the sound wont be that accurate like i expect,because more detune is needed and more stacked oscillators(well... saws , more than 11,or different phase algorithm).
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- u-he
- Topic Starter
- 30194 posts since 8 Aug, 2002 from Berlin
Weird! I have no idea what I could have changed, but I'll investigate this...MCnoone wrote:Hi, I just tried the latest beta of Zebra2, and it does NOT work on my system.
I cannot click on anything. The GUI does not function at all. The only buttons I can click on are the top right info & size. Everything else cannot be selected. I do get sound, but cannot select a preset.
My system is a MacOSX 10.3.9, G4Powerbook,1.33mhz. Using Ableton Live 6.
As I posted earlier, it's getting very difficult to maintain compatibility with 10.3.9 while at the same time support Leopard. I'm trying my best though...
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- KVRAF
- 4197 posts since 23 May, 2004 from Bad Vilbel, Germany
Sorry bwwd, I give up. I think Eleven sounds great and doesn't have to mimic anything.bwwd wrote:its suppose to mimic supersaw in some way and i would like it to be really accurate...i had JP-8K and i know how it sounds and i can hear big difference here...in practice i doubt it was tested side by side with real supersaw oscillator...when i switch to 11 saws mode, turn phase knob up and width down then it doesnt sound so nice on detune etc. etc.
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- KVRian
- 936 posts since 29 May, 2002 from UK
I have to say, as a trance producer myself since 99 (and having had a JP8000 myself for 2 years around that time) it always baffles me this obsession some people have with the supersaw on that synth.bwwd wrote:Basically any patch with detuned 11 saws and phase doesnt sound as good as it could, its not possible to do the same things what i did in the JP-8000 supersaw example.I mean EXACTLY the same thing.
Really by todays standards, there are far fatter bigger sounding supersaw style sounds from other synths (soft and hard). Sure its got this particular kinda smoothness in its phasing, but overall it doesn't sound beefy anymore. It's almost this kind of reverence that the JP8000's saw is somehow the gospel of supersaws, and all other saws MUST try to be exactly like this one, but why?!?!. It's not some definitive best imho. I think part of it is the myth that surrounds it, from a time thats looked upon fondly.
I certainly don't miss having the supersaw from the JP8000 at all anymore (though I do funnily enough miss the feedback oscillator sound of it when using combined with the ribbon controller)
Zebra's clearly a powerful synth capable of a wide range of sounds, but I feel it has its own character of sound throughout everything too, particuarly the sound of its oscillators. I like the fact that the filter types aren't meant to be an exact clone of an exact type of synth. I wrote something similar in a Sylenth1 thread and I think the same applies here. It's better to have great synths in their own name and sound, than always just try to be exact clones of other synths.
..oh and I'm happy to finally be a part of the Zebra ownership club
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- KVRAF
- 9590 posts since 17 Sep, 2002 from Gothenburg Sweden
I'm just curious if the eleven mode was chosen for the obvious Spinal Tap reference ? IE it could just as well have been 13 or 10 mode but 11 was chosen for marketing reasons.
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- u-he
- Topic Starter
- 30194 posts since 8 Aug, 2002 from Berlin
Well, I found that there's not much difference after 11, unless you jump to 30 or so. Hence Spinal Tap came in handyjupiter8 wrote:I'm just curious if the eleven mode was chosen for the obvious Spinal Tap reference ? IE it could just as well have been 13 or 10 mode but 11 was chosen for marketing reasons.
(When cpus become fast enough, I'll add "XLII")