Surprise: ELOQUENCE 1.0.1 released!

[Mindmatching]

@JPark83:

There's nothing in Eloquence you can't do in your DAW too. Theoretically!

For me it is a very nice brainstorming tool. I start with a damn simple pattern and then fool around with loop, slowdown and retrigger action, try different loop lengths, pitch bends (which of course you can set up to do something different than pitch bendings), breaks, chords. I think, every time I used the plugin so far, I ended up with something I wouldn't have found out in the MIDI editor of my DAW with pure deliberation.

Maybe call it a tool for quite untalented people

[JPark83]

Okay, cool. Here's a really dumb question: Can you input notes via the traditional method of playing on a MIDI keyboard? I'm about to experiment with this, but I thought I'd ask. It's cool to do it with the mouse, but can also get tedious.

[cwig]

Okay, cool. Here's a really dumb question: Can you input notes via the traditional method of playing on a MIDI keyboard?

Yes, just click the Rec button first (you may also want to make sure "Step" is selected).

[JPark83]

Thanks! One more (for now):

Can anyone tell me how to route Eloquence to another instrument using Cubase. I have Cubase Studio 5. I put Eloquence on an instrument track. But there's no MIDI output choice. If I create a MIDI track (as opposed to an instrument track) there's a choice for MIDI out, but seemingly no way to insert an instrument.

I'm wondering if this may be due to my having Cubase 5 Studio instead of the full version of Cubase, but I don't think that's the issue.

Most likely this is due to my limited knowledge of both Cubase and Eloquence, but I will much appreciate the help.

[ludwig]

I have a 2 questions:

- Can it do step skip, like on the old Moog 960 sequencer ?
- Can i set the chance the a certain step will be played (example: i want that step 3 is only played 50% of the time)

Edit: typo corrected

[quantize]

I guess the waiting is not really over it yet!

[Mindmatching]

Can anyone tell me how to route Eloquence to another instrument using Cubase.

I already described this on page 4. And it is described in the manual. Just create another MIDI-Track and choose Eloquence in your INPUT device list.

[Mindmatching]

Don't know exactly what you mean, but ...

I have a 2 questions:
- Can it do step skip, like on the old Moog 960 sequencer ?

velocity editor

- Can i set the change the a certain step will be played (example: i want that step 3 is only played 50% of the time)

gate editor

[ludwig]

Don't know exactly what you mean, but ...

I have a 2 questions:
- Can it do step skip, like on the old Moog 960 sequencer ?

velocity editor

- Can i set the change the a certain step will be played (example: i want that step 3 is only played 50% of the time)

gate editor

Oops, type on my post: i want to set the chance that a step plays (that's not the gate). Example: use two Eloquence for a drumbeat and let the first play a kick pattern (x000 x000 x000 x000) and the second a snare (000 x000 0000 x0cc with c = 50% chance that this step gets triggerd (50% chance that it's muted))


About the skip step: let say i have a sequence looping from 1 to 4. I now put skip step for step 3. Now it will loop 1 2 4 1 2 4 ... This was a feature on the old Moog 960 and Numerology can do this (correct me if am wrong). This skip steps are for instant variation.

[JPark83]

Can anyone tell me how to route Eloquence to another instrument using Cubase.

I already described this on page 4. And it is described in the manual. Just create another MIDI-Track and choose Eloquence in your INPUT device list.

Sorry if I missed this. I will go back and check page 4. But the Eloquence manual describes how to do this with Ableton Live, which is quite different from Cubase I believe.

Anyway here's the good news: It works in Cubase 5 Studio. The trick is not to put Eloquence on an instrument track, but rather the "old" Cubase way, where you create a VST instrument channel from the Devices menu and associate it with a separate MIDI track. Although this is quite a bit more cluttered, it is the only way to get a MIDI out from Eloquence. Then you go to the synth track you want to receive the Eloquence MIDI data from and choose Eloquence as its MIDI input from the drop down menu. If you put Eloquence on an instrument track, you won't have the option to choose Eloquence as a MIDI input from your desired trigger synth.

The cool thing is that not only can you play another VST synth this way, but you can record Eloquence's MIDI data to a track in Cubase for investigation or further editing.

Sorry if this has been documented or covered before, but just wanted to share it with other Cubase users who may be confused.

Bottom line: Don't put Eloquence on an instrument track, use the "old" Cubase method of creating a VST instrument channel for Eloquence from the Devices menu and then associating it with a separate MIDI track. This is detailed in the Cubase 5 manual at the beginning of Chapter 12. Pages 170 and 171.

[cwig]

Don't know exactly what you mean, but ...

I have a 2 questions:
- Can it do step skip, like on the old Moog 960 sequencer ?

velocity editor

- Can i set the change the a certain step will be played (example: i want that step 3 is only played 50% of the time)

gate editor

Oops, type on my post: i want to set the chance that a step plays (that's not the gate).

I think you can set this up on the Performance lane.

[Mindmatching]

Oops, type on my post: i want to set the chance that a step plays (that's not the gate). Example: use two Eloquence for a drumbeat and let the first play a kick pattern (x000 x000 x000 x000) and the second a snare (000 x000 0000 x0cc with c = 50% chance that this step gets triggerd (50% chance that it's muted))

There is a random lane in the performance section. There you can select TRIGGER for your purpose. But it can also be used for many other params like pitch, gate...

But aside from setting a long gate time or play a chord on each step, the plug is a monophonic step sequencer and you cannot trigger two notes at a time. So your drum example would be impossible to programm.

About the skip step: let say i have a sequence looping from 1 to 4. I now put skip step for step 3. Now it will loop 1 2 4 1 2 4 ... This was a feature on the old Moog 960 and Numerology can do this (correct me if am wrong). This skip steps are for instant variation.

No. But they are other features which maybe come close and can be of interest for you. I think of the loop and retrigger buttons and the separated loop ranges for the 3 editors.

[JPark83]

Umm....One last question (I know I said this before). With apologies in advance to Mindmatching for my ignorance regarding the principles of step sequencers:

Can you do chords with it? I.e. I want to create simple trance gating effects as applied to my target synth. It appears Eloquence (or more properly all step sequencers of this type) can only do one note at a time.

Oops, I see this was just answered:

But aside from setting a long gate time or play a chord on each step, the plug is a monophonic step sequencer and you cannot trigger two notes at a time. So your drum example would be impossible to program.

[macmurphy]

Hello,

regarding the CC output, unfortunatly you are right.
Instead of muting the CC and Note output together, the CC output gets activated when mute is on and deactivated if it's off.
We will fix this asap. We plan to make an update in the mid or end of the next week mainly because of this issue. If you found other bugs please report them so we can fix them together.

Sorry for this really stupid bug.
i wish you an eloquent sunday

Robert

Regarding the midi CC issue, i can confirm there is a problem with Live 8.0.4 (for me at least). The data from the performance lane is fine (pitchbends etc) but theres no CC output from the modulation lane. I was using it with an external synth and thought that maybe that was the problem but when i tried with a soft synth i got the same result.
I hope this can be fixed very soon as it's the only thing that's holding me back from buying

[Mindmatching]

Umm....One last question (I know I said this before). With apologies in advance to Mindmatching for my ignorance regarding the principles of step sequencers:

Can you do chords with it? I.e. I want to create simple trance gating effects as applied to my target synth. It appears Eloquence (or more properly all step sequencers of this type) can only do one note at a time.

I think that's not the main application area of the plug. This typical trance gates are often made with gates that trigger the filter of a supersaw sound. They don't trigger the sound itself.

But aside from that you CAN create chords with the plug. For each step you can select from a (limited) list of chord types.

Consequence from SB is a chord mangler.