Critique my 'Cello' for Zebra2 please?
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- KVRist
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- 326 posts since 12 Sep, 2008 from Trappe MD
Whoops, thanks. I'll try and put them on Mediafire from now on.
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- KVRAF
- 5234 posts since 25 Feb, 2008
I think the velocity scaling to Env1 attack might be a bit too high - it gives too sharp an attack at high velocities, which makes it sound more like a bassoon than a cello. At lower velocities it does have a recognisable cello sound to it
Have you tried using the Osc Dual, Quad and Eleven modes with a bit of Detune to thicken the sound (also gives something of a stringlike timbre)? The various Comb modes all sound quite different too and, when using a Comb module, you might also want to try mixing some of the dry signal back in - your patch feeds everything into the comb, which is set to only output the wet signal, so that it's all 'combed'.
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- KVRist
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- 326 posts since 12 Sep, 2008 from Trappe MD
I'll try that out the moment I get home and turn on everything.
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- KVRist
- 127 posts since 28 Sep, 2002 from Germany
That's interesting.
I never thought that it would make much sense to make a sound for such a fine instrument with a synthesizer. However, with Zebra I had a rather simple approach a while ago and called it „Cello“ because I had the impression that there was a little bit of similarity in this sound to a cello voice.
http://www.uk-music.de/uploads/software/ukm1_Cello1.rar
It reacts a little bit different if played legato and soft or staccato and hard.
Don't forget aftertouch too.
ukm
I never thought that it would make much sense to make a sound for such a fine instrument with a synthesizer. However, with Zebra I had a rather simple approach a while ago and called it „Cello“ because I had the impression that there was a little bit of similarity in this sound to a cello voice.
http://www.uk-music.de/uploads/software/ukm1_Cello1.rar
It reacts a little bit different if played legato and soft or staccato and hard.
Don't forget aftertouch too.
ukm
Last edited by ukm on Tue Aug 25, 2009 8:51 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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- KVRAF
- 1529 posts since 12 Jun, 2004 from Portland, OR
For me, I love to emulate some sounds through synthesis, just to hear how they 'fail', I.E. - they often become reminiscent hybrids, weird organic instruments in their own right...
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- KVRist
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- 326 posts since 12 Sep, 2008 from Trappe MD
http://www.box.net/shared/es1thlhjyl
Changed some things. Also, I tried adjusting single, dual, the detune and other things, and it made a weird phaser sound. I don't know, maybe I broke it. Besides, the -0.07 detune seems to work fine so far.
Changed some things. Also, I tried adjusting single, dual, the detune and other things, and it made a weird phaser sound. I don't know, maybe I broke it. Besides, the -0.07 detune seems to work fine so far.
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- KVRAF
- 5234 posts since 25 Feb, 2008
The attack sounds better, much more natural. It sounds like a cellokajiotaku wrote:http://www.box.net/shared/es1thlhjyl
Changed some things. Also, I tried adjusting single, dual, the detune and other things, and it made a weird phaser sound. I don't know, maybe I broke it. Besides, the -0.07 detune seems to work fine so far.
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 326 posts since 12 Sep, 2008 from Trappe MD
Wouldn't it sound better if all the oscs have vibrato, but the comb doesn't?
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- KVRAF
- 4197 posts since 23 May, 2004 from Bad Vilbel, Germany
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- KVRist
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- 326 posts since 12 Sep, 2008 from Trappe MD
Sorry, I didn't read it right x-x It was early, I didn't want to be in school, and my Steel Drum teacher has a voice that corrodes my brain.hakey wrote:Yep - that's what I said :wink:kajiotaku wrote:Wouldn't it sound better if all the oscs have vibrato, but the comb doesn't?
http://www.box.net/shared/3grspkiye7
I hope that's the version with the altered vibratos.
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- Banned
- 6129 posts since 9 Oct, 2007 from an inharmonious society
Hey thanks a lot!Howard wrote:OK, here's my attempt:
http://www.box.net/shared/8oc7102qj2
Checkin it out now.
Awesome...or even could say versatile.
Oh sounds great...you just need to add a little vibrato here, and some salt into the comb...don't forget the phaser turned on stun...blaahhh
"jus kiddin"
- KVRAF
- 5234 posts since 25 Feb, 2008
Hmm, it's interesting how most of these cello patches have tended towards the smoother, 'mellow cello' end of the spectrum.
It had me wondering whether I had misremembered what a cello sounds like - in my head it has that deep mahogany colour but above that a taught, frictive sound as horsehair is dragged across rosin and tensioned bronze.
Jacqueline du Pré's famous interpretation of Elgar is probably the first thing that comes to mind if I try to recall a cello sound:
It had me wondering whether I had misremembered what a cello sounds like - in my head it has that deep mahogany colour but above that a taught, frictive sound as horsehair is dragged across rosin and tensioned bronze.
Jacqueline du Pré's famous interpretation of Elgar is probably the first thing that comes to mind if I try to recall a cello sound:
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- KVRAF
- 5234 posts since 25 Feb, 2008
The vibrato is still quite light - but maybe that's how you like it? You know that the amplitude of LFO1 (which is routed to vibrato) is at less than 50% and the Vibrato amount in each of your Osc's is at less than 50%, so you're only getting 25%, or less, of the maximum vibrato amplitudekajiotaku wrote:
http://www.box.net/shared/3grspkiye7
I hope that's the version with the altered vibratos.
But, if you like the amount of vibrato you've got, just ignore me, it's your patch after all.
I usually set aftertouch to slightly increase LFO1's rate to mimic the way that a string player often increases vibrato speed with amplitude. I think I read in that SOS article that for string instruments adding vibrato also adds some tremolo, so I sometimes send a touch of LFO1 modulation to Osc Volume.
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- KVRist
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- 326 posts since 12 Sep, 2008 from Trappe MD
Do you think I'd be able to sell similar patches for Zebra? Obviously not this one, as it's free and a test, but would people even buy it? Would probably just make a bank of about 20 or more and sell it for, like, 2 to 5 bucks or something. The price would come up of course if there's, like, 40 patches. Besides, I'm just doing this for fun.
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