Version 1.8 System Software Update for Receptor 1 users ?

[johnrule]

IDE'S were not a problem, only SATA.

You say "regardless of permutations", so I imagine that different brands of drives were used, and it did not matter what hardware configuration? What does "stuck" mean? Was the hard drive damaged, or was the data on the drive corrupt in some way? Was it salvageable? Was the BIOS corrupt? Did swapping the drive out (with a new imaged drive) at that point result in a successful boot (which would have proved that it wasn't the motherboard or bios)? I just don't see how testing could conclude that the Receptor gets "stuck" and there is no further technical explanation.

I know the point of this OS upgrade for many is SATA, but I am interested more in the OS itself. I for one would be willing to compromise with IDE to be done with this. Actually, the main purpose for me was to get Pianoteq 3 working, but I have that working in OS 1.7, so I am losing my interest in this. I really don't wish to pursue this any further unless there is some breakthrough.

JR

[Kermit Jagger]

Which still begs the question; why can't we just run the new os on IDE?

Exactly. This is why I still don't understand why there isn't an OS 1.8 for IDE drives, distributed either as a package or bootable ISO.

Yes, my rev. C won't be able to run Omnisphere, Trilian and a few other newer VST plugs. So what ? I know the limitations of my trusty old rev. C. What I would like is a way to run newer versions of some plugs which don't need a quad CPU to run satisfactorily. For example, Ivory 1.7 would definitely run on a rev. C, so would Pianoteq and all the plugs that are not so processor intensive.

Also, I would assume that a new version of WINE has been incorporated in OS 1.8. And there are lots of plugs that have difficulties with WINE on 1.7. Perhaps some of these would now run on a newer version of WINE, particularly those with display problems.

As it is, I won't know until I return my rev C. to have a drive fitted by Muse.

I'd even settle for buying an IDE drive with OS 1.8 on it and installing it myself in the rev. C. That way, no bios update even if I do this in my sleep, a simple open case, unplug drive, plug drive, close case, boot. How simple is that!

[SurfacePatterns]

Which still begs the question; why can't we just run the new os on IDE?

This question was first discussed back in October. I'd like an answer to this question too.

[projektio]

Which still begs the question; why can't we just run the new os on IDE?

This question was first discussed back in October. I'd like an answer to this question too.

+1

I would absolutely be willing to run an IDE drive with OS 1.8 in my Pro Jr. I don't care about SATA support, I simply want to be able to run some of the more recent plugs that only work on 1.8.

I don't care if I can run Omnisphere or Trilian, I've got a quad-PC that can handle those programs without breaking a sweat.

projektio

[johnrule]

So, maybe the questions now are:

- Did the Receptor work when upgraded to OS 1.8 with an internal IDE?

- Did it work without upgrading the BIOS?

If the answers are yes, then I ask if Muse would provide a new IDE with OS 1.8 installed for user installation? I would prefer to have a backup IDE (the one I pull from my unit) in case OS 1.8 is not an improvement for me.

JR

[richwhite9]

In my case I'd rather have them reformat the existng drive, load the new OS 1.8 and Komplete w/ Service Center. For me it's all about getting Ivory Uprights on board.

I can live with the choices as I still approach this in part from the standpoint of a manfucturers module rather than a computer (imagine telling Roland you wanted the Fantom OS on a JV-2080 to run SRX cards or that you didn't like the Electric Pianos on the SRX-12 or SR-JV-80-03 cards and want Scarbees instead).

The fact is Roland doesn't offer an upgrade path outside of trade and resell. Even if they did the newer cards runs $250 (SRX) to $400 (ARX). In that perspective the choices from Muse are still sane and reasonable.

For those of us in IT for 15 years or more it's a different story and for the most part Muse never said Receptor was a hackers dream box. On the contrary they've discouraged hacking of pretty much anything except unsupported VST installs.

For all I know a Musebox might be a cheaper way to get the complete Ivory loaded rather than an upgrade. That will shake out this week.

[SurfacePatterns]

I can live with the choices as I still approach this in part from the standpoint of a manfucturers module rather than a computer (imagine telling Roland you wanted the Fantom OS on a JV-2080 to run SRX cards or that you didn't like the Electric Pianos on the SRX-12 or SR-JV-80-03 cards and want Scarbees instead).

Your analogy doesn't hold. In the Roland case above, you're asking for firmware to run on an architecture that it wasn't built for, and asking that your hardware support an expansion card that it wasn't built to support. In the Muse Research case, we're asking for an updated operating system that is supported by the architecture for the hardware that we have.

[richwhite9]

Are you now asking for 1.8 on the old bios and IDE as the compromise?

Or a new bios and 1.8 and IDE?

[SurfacePatterns]

Are you now asking for 1.8 on the old bios and IDE as the compromise?

Or a new bios and 1.8 and IDE?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think any of the people *currently* arguing for getting the 1.8 OS on their Rev. C Receptors cares about the BIOS update.

Of course, I could be projecting ...

[jeamsler]

I agree. If you don't need it then what would be the point of getting the bios updated? Chris Halaby from Muse said earlier in this thread that they were reluctant to do an update because it would erase all the optimizations that were put in. So why do that if it runs on IDE as is?

[richwhite9]

I'm sure there must be other reasons that 1.8 wasn't offered for Rev Cs with IDE support.

This issue won't go away without some additional explanation.

Is anyone expecting some advantage to 1.8 other than access to the most current VST installers if the REV C hardware will run the VST?

[Kermit Jagger]

You may well be right in both cases.

- Is there an issue with running 1.8 on an IDE drive ?

- This issue won't go away without some additional explanation.

My personal feeling is that Muse are reluctant to have an ISO image "circulating the net" so to speak and want to retain control of what they distribute. But if that's the case, then it doesn't hold either. Is OS 1.7 or previous versions circulating on the net ? I tried runnign lots of searches and couldn't find anything.

The other thing is, if we do have to return the unit to factory to get a new drive, why not have the option to install an ISO ourselves first. If that fails, back to square one and return to factory, which wil make no difference to the install of a new drive which they clone from a master anyway.

Also, what's wrong with buying an IDE drive with OS 1.8 and installing that ourselves ?

Too many questions, too few answers. Which may well be the number 1 problem !

[richwhite9]

Synthogy released Ivory II which will of course be the first great test of 1.8 for Receptor 2 owners. Available Spring 2010.

[UltraJv]

It may not be what you want to hear but IDE HDD manufacture is on the way out. Providing support for it is kind of pointless. A year from now and IDE hdds will be hard to source from new. Seagate announced in 2007 that they will cease IDE as from last year, no mention since then but its on borrowed time. Maybe this kind of adaptor will help :

http://www.amazon.co.uk/IDE-SATA-Bi-Dir ... B000YSMBSW

[mat123]

It may not be what you want to hear but IDE HDD manufacture is on the way out. Providing support for it is kind of pointless. A year from now and IDE hdds will be hard to source from new. Seagate announced in 2007 that they will cease IDE as from last year, no mention since then but its on borrowed time. Maybe this kind of adaptor will help :

What we need is support for our receptor now, whether or not we get support for a IDE drive in a year is secondary!
-mat123