M3 Tests

[MuTools]

Double Left Click = Insert Note
RMB+drag = scroll

This is congruent with the intention. Dragging is used primarily while composing as on a piece of paper, so one hand operation without Modifier keys which do break the flow.
Zooming is usually used mostly in revisions, correcting here and there, have an overall view etc.

I am making a large assumption here but I am been working with other musicians and designers and it seems to be a common pattern.

Yes. The scrolling with the wheel is so engraved in the window's world that it seems more natural.

Right Click Drag is a kind of a must. One of the best new features in M3. (IMHO)

Euh, i'm not sure if i understand your conclusion?

Does it work well for you as it is in 3.0.9?

[theorize]

@ Genada - about the track mute button... it can be any size you want if i remember correctly. I think the graphic it comes from is actually something like 32x32... I don't have it in front of me but i'll check it out tonight. Actually alot of the graphics for buttons are much bigger than the display, MuLab resamples the image and does a good job of it in my opinion.

[liquidsound]

Euh, i'm not sure if i understand your conclusion?

Does it work well for you as it is in 3.0.9?

3.09 = Awesome!

About Shortcuts: It would be extremely practical a "Zoom All".
I am not sure if it is the right name but is that little Dot an the bottom Right corners in the composer/Key editor that resets the zoom level to encompass the whole part and the whole composition in their respective windows.

So when we get a little lost with zooming or we want just get out of the small working area to get an overall view a shortcut is unbeatable.
I'm always with the Work flow in mind.

[MuTools]

Congrats for M3, i've received it and i've tried it...

Thanks!

1-Two Left click in a track to "choose target" and not just one click.

Not sure i understand.

Do you mean you would rather want a doubleclick to popup the "Choose Target" list?

2-When you left click (once) the plugin in a collapsed rack it should expand the rack

It does!

and open the plugin gui(or instrument).

That's via a doubleclick. I think that works ok.

3-The "close" button in Sequence Editor and in the Audio Lab should be in the right (more intuitive) not in the left.

Thing is that the close button now nicely fits in the area above the piano keys and left of the time bar. At the top-right there is no such space. That's the reason why it's at the left.

4-The track mute button is still too small....I'd also like to have a solo track button in there...

About the size:

If you give more space to the track headers (drag the divider to the right) then the mute buttons are bigger. You could also want to choose to put the divider almost at the left, then no track names are drawn, only a big mute button. Hope i explain well.

About separate solo buttons: Yes, it has been requested before. There is a note on the whishlist about this. Did not yet find a nice simple layout which also includes a separate solo. Maybe later.

I know it's on the wishlist, but i do believe that automation breakpoint envelopes will make MULAB better.

To be honnest: It was on the M3 whishlist. And there has already been done an amount of R&D on this. But i decided to release M3 at this point already, otherwise M3 would be postponed even more. I'm confident M3 is worth the release in its current shape. Even though i'm already dreaming of M4. But we have to go step by step.

[MuTools]

About Shortcuts: It would be extremely practical a "Zoom All".

Added to the whishlist.

But i've got a little technical problem implementing this quickly, same for the "Zoom Selection" shortcut. It may be that i postpone this to 3.x

[Nielzie]

Just want to say that I have installed M3 Beta 09 on a second system (my laptop) and after scanning the VST folder for the first time M3 crashes. This happened also on my first system (pc) with an earlier beta version.

It's only the first time scan after choosing the VST folder. After a restart of M3 it's all ok, so now big problem I guess. But of course it shouldn't be and could give new users a bad first impression (while comparing different DAWS for instance)..

Anyone else had this? Could it be a particular VST plugin of mine causing the trouble?


I also miss a fast right click option to copy and/or duplicate a midi sequence. That is one of those things that I use so regular that it's really something I prefer in a host.

That could also help the workflow for other things: some kind of direct right click menu option to most regular/used commands

EDIT: I know we can do this with keyboard shortcuts, but it would be more "user-friendly (aka computer-noob-friendly)" to have also a fast "shortcut" with mouse

I also really really really miss a cpu meter/indicator (or am I overlooking something?)

Other than that, I still love M3 so far

[Bonteburg]

I feel a little bad for having so little time at the moment!


I may or may not have found a bug in 3.09:

Something glitchy is happening in between the racks and the MPA. Plug Ins in rack view don't appear as possible targets and you can't see their parametres in the piano roll editor.

Only plugs that float in the MPA are recognized as targets.

You can still say "target = Rack A" etc and it will play back the synth but you can't choose your target to be a synth.

Weirdly, recording knob movements creates a properly targeted sequence making it easy to choose the target by activating the sequence. It's like you kind of have to break the spell by recording automation.


This is definitely a bug:

slight delay before MIDI recording starts after count in (1, 2, 3, 4, *hic* recording).

Haven't done audio yet.

OSX 10.4.11

Marco

[pquenin]

About Shortcuts: It would be extremely practical a "Zoom All".

Added to the whishlist.

But i've got a little technical problem implementing this quickly, same for the "Zoom Selection" shortcut. It may be that i postpone this to 3.x

snif...

About the scroll/zoom thing :
I have made the change in mulab.txt to have the scroll first.
Here is how it behaves :
- mouse wheel : scroll -> OK
- ctrl + mouse wheel : zoom -> OK
- MMB + drag : scroll -> OK for me
- RMB + drag : zoom -> OK for me
--> it's cool to have access to the 2 functions without modifiers
- Ctrl + MMB + drag : scroll
- Ctrl + RMB + drag : scroll
- Alt+ MMB + drag : scroll
- Alt+ RMB + drag : scroll
--> strange isn't it ?

[liquidsound]

I'm dizzy...
As long as I can keep RMB = Drag..

[pquenin]

As we can now split all parts on all tracks with a single split, it should be good to have a way to select all the parts to the right so that we can make room to insert measures. Because there is nothing new in this area in M3...

[MuTools]

Could it be a particular VST plugin of mine causing the trouble?

Yes, that's possible, it's even very probable.

I also miss a fast right click option to copy and/or duplicate a midi sequence. That is one of those things that I use so regular that it's really something I prefer in a host.

What's wrong with [Ctrl]+drag part to copy a part?

And if it's about extending a sequence part loop, simply drag its end further to the right so it loops longer.

I also really really really miss a cpu meter/indicator (or am I overlooking something?)

See the Transport Panel, CPU meter is below the tempo

[MuTools]

Something glitchy is happening in between the racks and the MPA. Plug Ins in rack view don't appear as possible targets and you can't see their parametres in the piano roll editor.

If you want to choose a 'deeper' target, then use the icon button at the right of a target in the target list.

See this picture:



M27 did it like this:



But for 2 reasons i've changed it to the new M3 system:

1) The "Rack Itself" thing may be a bit difficult to understand for a newbie. In the new system, deeper targets (which is more advanced) are hidden.

2) In M3 you can now automate ANY deeper target. This was not the case in M27. And so when M3 would also use the "xxx Itself" thing, a completely unfolded target list could be full of "... Itself" items which is not pleasant to look at, and hurting the brain's left side.

I hope this new way of choosing subtargets is more comfortable.

What do you think?

[MuTools]

This is definitely a bug:
slight delay before MIDI recording starts after count in (1, 2, 3, 4, *hic* recording).

Anyone else having this too?

[MuTools]

About the scroll/zoom thing :
- Ctrl + MMB + drag : scroll
- Ctrl + RMB + drag : scroll
- Alt+ MMB + drag : scroll
- Alt+ RMB + drag : scroll
--> strange isn't it ?

If you tell MU.LAB that EditorNavigation=MouseWheelScrolls, then everything is inversed. So i think things are logical now, no?

[pljones]

I hope this new way of choosing subtargets is more comfortable.

I noticed this and thought, "Oh, that's a lot nicer" but had no reason to use it at the time and forgot to comment! But yes, it looks like it'll be a lot more comfortable here, too.