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sorohanro · Post by **sorohanro** » Tue Jan 26, 2010 1:53 pm

Followed the exact steps in M3.0.11. and didn't had a crash.
However, M3.0.11. still crash when I load EW Symphonic Orchestra and I have Google Chrome opened...
This might be an issue with my computer or Chrome, not Mu.Lab.

MuTools · Post by **MuTools** » Tue Jan 26, 2010 2:11 pm

Nielzie wrote:I also get crashes on both of my systems when switching through presets while playing a sequence in Vember Audio SURGE

Something I didn't have in any other DAW I tried (Orion 7, EnergyXT2, REAPER 3)

Yes i also get that crash

It's crashing within Surge, i have no idea why.

I'll email Vember Audio about this.

crash log:

00:14:38:442 Started Logging
00:14:39:448 MS Windows XP Professional
00:14:39:448 MU.LAB UL 3.0.10
00:14:39:448 /C:/Program Files/MULAB/MULAB.exe
00:14:46:433 This will stop the audio engine, ok?<answer=Y>
00:15:06:313 flclss_wn[89] fn=Process.Png, ec=3
00:16:11:022 Error rgn[102]
...

Thanks for the log.

Ok, i've noticed M3 is not yet logging much info when starting up the MME audio engine. Tuned in the next version.

Nielzie, could you please send me a screenshot of the main MU.LAB window on the computer that you used to make this log. Please make the screenshot in the same setup as before, don't change window positions or sizes please.

So simply startup M3, press [PrintScreen], paste it in a picture and email it to me. Thanks!

MuTools · Post by **MuTools** » Tue Jan 26, 2010 2:16 pm

Nielzie wrote:crash log:

00:24:51:453 Started Logging
00:24:52:456 MS Windows XP Professional
00:24:52:456 MU.LAB UL 3.0.10
00:24:52:456 /C:/Program Files/MULAB/MULAB.exe
00:24:57:458 This will stop the audio engine, ok?<answer=Y>
00:25:44:086 New Session will close this session, OK?<answer=Y>
00:25:57:946 flclss_wn[89] fn=Process.Png, ec=2
00:26:35:670 flclss_wn[89] fn=Process.Png, ec=2
00:26:36:732 flclss_wn[89] fn=Process.Png, ec=2
00:26:36:768 flclss_wn[89] fn=GenericParameterEditor.Xml, ec=2
00:26:36:790 flclss_wn[89] fn=GenericParameterEditor.Png, ec=2
00:26:36:829 flclss_wn[89] fn=Knob.Png, ec=2
...

Huh! MU.LAB is complaining it can't find certain skin files. Do you properly see all the MULAB plugin editors?

WINDOWS crash log:

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-16"?>
<DATABASE>
<EXE NAME="MULAB.exe" FILTER="GRABMI_FILTER_PRIVACY">
<MATCHING_FILE NAME="MULAB.exe" SIZE="4562944" CHECKSUM="0x37994EC5" MODULE_TYPE="WIN32" PE_CHECKSUM="0x461795" LINKER_VERSION="0x0" LINK_DATE="01/19/2010 14:27:30" UPTO_LINK_DATE="01/19/2010 14:27:30" />
</EXE>
<EXE NAME="kernel32.dll" FILTER="GRABMI_FILTER_THISFILEONLY">
<MATCHING_FILE NAME="kernel32.dll" SIZE="1030656" CHECKSUM="0x1B46B288" BIN_FILE_VERSION="5.1.2600.5781" BIN_PRODUCT_VERSION="5.1.2600.5781" PRODUCT_VERSION="5.1.2600.5781" FILE_DESCRIPTION="DLL-bestand voor Windows NT BASE API-client" COMPANY_NAME="Microsoft Corporation" PRODUCT_NAME="Besturingssysteem Microsoft® Windows®" FILE_VERSION="5.1.2600.5781 (xpsp_sp3_gdr.090321-1317)" ORIGINAL_FILENAME="kernel32" INTERNAL_NAME="kernel32" LEGAL_COPYRIGHT="© Microsoft Corporation. Alle rechten voorbehouden." VERFILEDATEHI="0x0" VERFILEDATELO="0x0" VERFILEOS="0x40004" VERFILETYPE="0x2" MODULE_TYPE="WIN32" PE_CHECKSUM="0x101480" LINKER_VERSION="0x50001" UPTO_BIN_FILE_VERSION="5.1.2600.5781" UPTO_BIN_PRODUCT_VERSION="5.1.2600.5781" LINK_DATE="03/21/2009 14:09:59" UPTO_LINK_DATE="03/21/2009 14:09:59" VER_LANGUAGE="Nederlands (Nederland) [0x413]" />
</EXE>
</DATABASE>

I don't see the crash details in here.

MuTools · Post by **MuTools** » Tue Jan 26, 2010 2:56 pm

Question: Wouldn't it be more logical to put "VST Plug-In Manager" in the File menu instead of Edit menu?

Nielzie · Post by **Nielzie** » Tue Jan 26, 2010 3:16 pm

mutools wrote: Nielzie, could you please send me a screenshot of the main MU.LAB window on the computer that you used to make this log. Please make the screenshot in the same setup as before, don't change window positions or sizes please.

So simply startup M3, press [PrintScreen], paste it in a picture and email it to me. Thanks!

E-mail sent!

mutools wrote:Question: Wouldn't it be more logical to put "VST Plug-In Manager" in the File menu instead of Edit menu?

No, in my opinion it's more logical to have it in the edit menu, there is the "preferences", "options" and "setup" stuff. I think the Plugin Manager is there to "setup" (add/remove) the vst's and list them.

Bonteburg · Post by **Bonteburg** » Tue Jan 26, 2010 8:35 pm

I'm unsure about the new auto-quantize function (unless my timing has improved out of sight over the last couple of weeks).

Is there still a way to record MIDI-in 'as-is' and do the nudging later?

Nowt wrong with auto-quantize -it's brilliant for some uses (no quantization hassle) but can potentially destroy a good performance.

sorohanro · Post by **sorohanro** » Tue Jan 26, 2010 8:49 pm

Bonteburg wrote:I'm unsure about the new auto-quantize function (unless my timing has improved out of sight over the last couple of weeks) - Is there still a way to record MIDI in as-is and do the nudging later? It's brilliant for some uses (no quantization hassle) but can potentially destroy a good performance.

+ 1
I always let the piano, electric piano and hammonds unquantized. I quantize only drums, bass and probably other rhythmic elements.

BTW, how do I cross fade audio tracks ?

MuTools · Post by **MuTools** » Tue Jan 26, 2010 8:59 pm

Bonteburg wrote:I'm unsure about the new auto-quantize function (unless my timing has improved out of sight over the last couple of weeks).

Is there still a way to record MIDI-in 'as-is' and do the nudging later?

Sure! Right-click the record MIDI button and set the recording grid to none.

MuTools · Post by **MuTools** » Tue Jan 26, 2010 9:02 pm

sorohanro wrote:BTW, how do I cross fade audio tracks ?

Using automation, e.g. automation of rack faders.

sorohanro · Post by **sorohanro** » Tue Jan 26, 2010 9:11 pm

mutools wrote:
sorohanro wrote:BTW, how do I cross fade audio tracks ?
Using automation, e.g. automation of rack faders.

How I do that in one track ?
situation:
I record a voice and I like a part (vocal 1) until an "aaaa" and after that I want to mix it with another part (vocal 2), so I choose the new part from "aaa" and inside of the "aaa" I cross fade (vocal 1 fade out, vocal 2 fade in, so it sounds natural).

theorize · Post by **theorize** » Tue Jan 26, 2010 9:13 pm

mutools wrote:Question: Wouldn't it be more logical to put "VST Plug-In Manager" in the File menu instead of Edit menu?

I always look for it there first

Bonteburg · Post by **Bonteburg** » Tue Jan 26, 2010 9:13 pm

sorohanro wrote:
mutools wrote:
sorohanro wrote:BTW, how do I cross fade audio tracks ?
Using automation, e.g. automation of rack faders.
How I do that in one track ?
situation:
I record a voice and I like a part (vocal 1) until an "aaaa" and after that I want to mix it with another part (vocal 2), so I choose the new part from "aaa" and inside of the "aaa" I cross fade (vocal 1 fade out, vocal 2 fade in, so it sounds natural).

Not sure about how I'd do it with one track alone but it's fairly simple with two tracks, 'changing lanes' style.

MuTools · Post by **MuTools** » Tue Jan 26, 2010 9:15 pm

Still a bit of a weak point, i know. It's on the whishlist. For now it can only be done using automated plugins. Or, you could edit the audio file itself, i.e. apply fade in/out on the audio data, but note that's explicitly changing the audio file.

MuTools · Post by **MuTools** » Tue Jan 26, 2010 9:25 pm

MU.LAB test 3.0.12 is available in http://www.mutools.com/mulab/azalea

See the changelist in that webfolder for the changes.

A full install of the package is needed as things in the graphics folder and library have changed. If you want to keep your current settings, then copy all files in Mulab/Settings to the new installation.

Highlight in 3.0.12:

You can now add user library folders, which will be included to the preset lists. So a nice library like "Rock Pack" from sorohanro can be fully integrated in the workflow

How to: just drop a preset folder onto the MuSynth or MUX play editor and it will be registered as a library folder. Btw, you can now also drop individual patch files on the play editor.

sorohanro · Post by **sorohanro** » Tue Jan 26, 2010 9:28 pm

mutools wrote:Still a bit of a weak point, i know. It's on the whishlist. For now it can only be done using automated plugins. Or, you could edit the audio file itself, i.e. apply fade in/out on the audio data, but note that's explicitly changing the audio file.

I'm glad that you understand what I'm talking about

and if you say it's on the wishlist, then I trust you'll make in the future something that will make me laugh when people will say "I'm using Pro Tools"

Editing the audio file it's what I want to avoid. I try non intrusive actions.

unrelated feature request:
can you have some notepad/ text writing-reading plugin in the program ? that would be very useful for demo songs (track by XXXX, copyrighted to XXXX), or tutorial files (look at the automation line in bar XXX where is controlled XXX parameter)...

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