Suggestions...<muSynth>

[Taron]

Oh, I'm getting started already. Not sure if I should, but well...stop me, please!

MuSynth core (currently):
- Event input <Nothing to Edit>

MuSynth core (wish):
- Event input editing: MONO / POLYPHONY, portamento, retrigger, that sort of stuff.

Yes, it's very, very likely that I'm still missing stuff that's already there somehow, but while I'm running into these thoughts I believe it shouldn't hurt to much to let them out. My brain is bouncing about wildly, swaying between art and music, writing and photography, philosophy and architecture, game development and tool development... I'm all over the place. So if I drift off, I may be gone just as quickly as I showed up, hehe. This way I do at least leave you with my impressions.

If it becomes as addicting as I feel it could be, I'm normally extremely loyal and stick around for years. Yes, that is a warning, HAHAHA. You might not get rid of me. Anyway... one idea up.

[MuTools]

Hey Taron, always feel free to make suggestions, it never hurts!

At the same time please don't expect that each and every feature request will be implemented.

Currently the whishlist already is almost 1000 items long, some of which are big items, some are small items. Some with high priority, some with low priority.

I try to collect all good ideas that match the direction i want to go to with MU.LAB, which is an joy-to-use and inspiring little music app.

Note that it's especially the ambition to keep MU.LAB small and lightweight.
So i'm very careful with adding features.

If you have ideas about how we can make MU.LAB even more simple and easy-to-use, also for unexperienced users, please also post them here.

Thanks!

[Taron]

Understood.
I'll lay low again...
Thanks for clarifying, though. It's a nice app and I didn't mean to push. All I wanted was a nice VSTi host and you have that. Your synth just felt like it could make it wholesom even without ever using VSTis. There's no fool-proof simple solution to an innovative and flexible synth. The solution there is only preset based with some cleverly suggested editability. In that regard you probably already went too far with a modular solution, haha. Good dough, though.

Never mind, Jo.

[MuTools]

I hope i didn't express myself wrong.

Please continue to feel free to make suggestions as you whish.

Just wanted to give some background info so you know more of the context.

I'm looking forward myself to further evolve the modular parts, it's just a matter of going step by step

[Taron]

okidoki, as you wish!
You better know when you're being manipulated, right?!

I'm kinda kidding, because I think you're doing great and in my eyes, somebody who has brought a software to this state is able to do some stunning stuff. But there's plenty of time. Please, enjoy to know that you've gotten yet another one very excited already. It did however read a little bit like "dude, you're on the wrong train here, you better get out on the next station." ...I'm just not in a hurry and don't mind a tour through the country!

If you need anything or are looking for some specific ideas or solutions, please, don't hold back at all. I often enjoy to help brainstorm a bit, if I can.

To simplify things I can already suggest to you to think of visual feedback. Graph, Splines, things that give a representation of what happens to the sound spectrum. Classic stuff. People know EQ, the concept of soundwaves (mostly). To see it helps a great deal and feels more comfortable.

[sorohanro]

Taron, you could never EVER be on the wrong train with Mu.Lab.
As you can see, Jo is one of the most open software developer, having a BIG ear open to all suggestions, as you can see HERE.

Is just that he tries to put things in order. As you can read in that link, there is a lot of stuff on the "to do" list and he was working day and night to put up Mu.Lab 3 (and he did in a record time).

[Taron]

No worries...I can tell he's a bit under the gun with all that stuff. I'll be back for sure when the time's right! ...hey, I paid over a $100 for the ticket! I'm too greedy to let it slide...

[MuTools]

It did however read a little bit like "dude, you're on the wrong train here, you better get out on the next station."

I know i'm not always the best in communication style.
So i'm wondering: which part of my message made you feel that way?
(just asking so i can try to learn to be more balanced with my words)

To simplify things I can already suggest to you to think of visual feedback. Graph, Splines, things that give a representation of what happens to the sound spectrum. Classic stuff. People know EQ, the concept of soundwaves (mostly). To see it helps a great deal and feels more comfortable.

Yes, that's true. Graphical feedback is important to most users. I've added a note on the whishlist about implementing more graphical feedback for the filter and the ADSR.

You also wrote earlier:

My brain is bouncing about wildly, swaying between art and music, writing and photography, philosophy and architecture, game development and tool development... I'm all over the place. So if I drift off, I may be gone just as quickly as I showed up, hehe. This way I do at least leave you with my impressions.

I know what you mean. That's really good. Let your brain swing as you like and feel free to post ideas via this forum whenever you want. I'll try to analyse, rationalize, filter and channelize everything as good as possible and synhesize it in a compact yet powerful musical tool.

By the way: I took a look at your website. Impressive creativity man!
Works very motivating and challenging

[Taron]

Haha, thanks! That's always my biggest hope to motivate, inspire... challenging is maybe an entertaining little side effect in the beginning!

As for what you've said and why it felt that way. It felt like you said that I'm asking for things that are for advanced users only and could make it too complicated for the kind of target group you had in mind.

Note that it's especially the ambition to keep MU.LAB small and lightweight.
So i'm very careful with adding features.

If you have ideas about how we can make MU.LAB even more simple and easy-to-use, also for unexperienced users, please also post them here.

Read a bit like a big stop sign. In reality I understand that you are hinting that you need to stay in control of how things develop, so you can maintain a spirit of simplicity and ease throughout the whole app. Once you have to pump in feature after feature you are afraid you could lose track of how to keep accessibility at a user friendly level. If I didn't know any better (and I don't) I'd assume that you feel like you've already been stumbling a tiny bit into some of the features of the synth, for example. I honestly know how it feels, when you feel like you have to move on and leave some things as they are, because there just ain't any better solution right at the moment. That's when I love the key phrases of my new home down here on the dalmatian coast: Polako, polako, ima vremena! (slow down, slow down, there's *plenty of* time!) ...I still have to learn the language!

Speaking of time...I should reconsider that saying when it comes to my website, HAHA, I really should update it at some point..it's been years again.

[Juan Mendoza]

MuSynth core (wish):
- Event input editing: MONO / POLYPHONY, portamento, retrigger, that sort of stuff.

i alredy got this wish writen down into a text file with other wishes waiting at a proper moment or the next R&D period to send them to Jo. But we all know that Jo's wishlist should be so huge that it's not a matter of making it even bigger. Anyway, I can't wait to hear monophonic leads and basslines with the musynth

Currently the whishlist already is almost 1000 items long

Wouldn't you all pay to see this list?
... I would!... price?

Your synth just felt like it could make it wholesom even without ever using VSTis.

I think much in the same way, i'd like to see musynth as the main synth of my dreamed studio, and as it gets more and more powerfull and flexible it can easily achieve this. And there are so many advantages of working only with onboard synths and FX instead of multiple vst plugs. In my opinion it's a safer way to work (i experienced this myself with Muzys, years after i still got most of songs intact, i can't tell the same about my cubase songs).


Seya!

[janamdo]

Speaking of time...I should reconsider that saying when it comes to my website, HAHA, I really should update it at some point..it's been years again.

Hi Taron
Impressing your musiccomposing it is ranging from classical to electronic music
How do you think that you can accomplish this with MUlab

Well what do we need in MUlab to get close to your music ?

[Juan Mendoza]

Well what do we need in MUlab to get close to your music ?

... just his inspiration and his musical knowledge and soul The tool is already there though

[MuTools]

Wouldn't you all pay to see this list?

As soon as the M4 dev cycle starts, i'll do a new poll here on the forum and launch some conceptual topics. This will reflect the wishlist. (oops, almost the same typo). And though this is not yet planned for the very short future (working on some other aspects now (in a broad sense)), i am already very much looking forward to it.

Your synth just felt like it could make it wholesom even without ever using VSTis.

I think much in the same way, i'd like to see musynth as the main synth of my dreamed studio, and as it gets more and more powerfull and flexible it can easily achieve this. And there are so many advantages of working only with onboard synths and FX instead of multiple vst plugs. In my opinion it's a safer way to work (i experienced this myself with Muzys, years after i still got most of songs intact, i can't tell the same about my cubase songs).

I feel the same too. I love integration. I'm eager too to further develop the MuSynth and MUX etc. We'll need some patience while solidly realizing a dream.

[Taron]

<SIGH> aahhh....I can sense our spirits are coming into sync! ...the joy!

[MuTools]

As for what you've said and why it felt that way. It felt like you said that I'm asking for things that are for advanced users only and could make it too complicated for the kind of target group you had in mind.

Just to avoid confusion: i also want MU.LAB to be a deep/rich tool. But if i must choose between simplicity and complexity i choose simplicity. And wherever rich features can be added without compromising the simplicity, i'll be happy to do so. I just want to say: it's not that i want to avoid a rich feature set, but it do want to integrate it in a simple manner. That's not easy, but it surely is a challenge.

Note that it's especially the ambition to keep MU.LAB small and lightweight. So i'm very careful with adding features. If you have ideas about how we can make MU.LAB even more simple and easy-to-use, also for unexperienced users, please also post them here.

In reality I understand that you are hinting that you need to stay in control of how things develop, so you can maintain a spirit of simplicity and ease throughout the whole app. Once you have to pump in feature after feature you are afraid you could lose track of how to keep accessibility at a user friendly level.

Indeed.