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Elektrobolt · Post by **Elektrobolt** » Thu Jun 17, 2010 10:27 pm

You got to give Steinberg a little bit of credit though, they did after all pioneer and advance the computer sequencer business. (I am sure that there is a more long term addition to the "complexity" of VST3 than meets the eye.)

Anyways, I didn't come in here to continue the arguments (for or against) but to ask if you intend to make the MDrummer (large) into a VST3 plug-in? I am seriously looking to get a virtual "drum computer", so if you are, I am going to hold off, until it's available.

MeldaProduction · Post by **MeldaProduction** » Thu Jun 17, 2010 10:33 pm

No argue about that, though sometimes guys from Steinberg do some crazy decisions... as everyone... Unfortunately these decisions complicate lives of many devs all around the world

. But still far better than Apple

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Anyway MDrummer will be released as VST3 as well, but you have to wait for the update

. Btw. what do you need VST3 in MDrummer for? I mean, it will basically have no advantages.

Elektrobolt · Post by **Elektrobolt** » Fri Jun 18, 2010 9:59 pm

MeldaProduction wrote:Anyway MDrummer will be released as VST3 as well, but you have to wait for the update . Btw. what do you need VST3 in MDrummer for? I mean, it will basically have no advantages.

Well, I guess I am "anal" (lol) because I like "cleanliness" in terms of my system running, I don't like "old" things hanging around (stagnating my "rig", causing weird things to happen), if I can avoid it.

I also like to support Steinberg since Pro12/24 (on the Atari, in 80's) and as I decided to acquire a drum "computer" (machine), I thought I'd "support" them by buying their "new" technology. I own pretty much any available VST3 plugs out there (except for Waves, because I got a lot of their hardware still). I LIKE Steinberg, they make good stuff!

I don't particularily like the attitude of it's not good enough to be worth the effort (though I DO understand the frustration of maintainng multiple platforms, being a systems software engineer myself). We (me and a number of others I've seen posting in a variety of places) WANT VST3 plug-in. And I am not trying to be rude in any way, I do see the point made. So please don't take offense, it's my opinion and that's all it is.

VST3 is a fact and it WILL replace old VST technologies, eventually.

Thank you very much for the information about MDrummer for VST3, you WILL gain a new user when available!!

MeldaProduction · Post by **MeldaProduction** » Fri Jun 18, 2010 11:06 pm

Hehe, yeah, I always liked Steinberg stuff as well, actually since Atari too

. It's just that the way they did VST3 isn't really ideal

. VST3 may replace VST in the future, but I believe it will take several years. Anyway as I said, MDrummer will be VST3

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Elektrobolt · Post by **Elektrobolt** » Sat Jun 19, 2010 6:36 pm

MeldaProduction wrote:Anyway as I said, MDrummer will be VST3 .

That's all that matters, lol.

No really though, that is absolutely fabulous, mate!!

valsolim · Post by **valsolim** » Wed Jul 21, 2010 10:32 am

MeldaProduction wrote:Well, then there is a question how to transfer the key aftertouch...

Hello, Vojtech,

just to let you know: Steinberg has just released VST SDK 3.10 and the list of changes says that Key Pressure Aftertouch is now supported!

Maybe another interesting thing for you is that the library now contains VST2.4 and even AU wrapper. However, the raw MIDI communication (including Program Change messages) remains impossible...

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Miloslav

MeldaProduction · Post by **MeldaProduction** » Wed Jul 21, 2010 3:03 pm

valsolim wrote:
MeldaProduction wrote:Well, then there is a question how to transfer the key aftertouch...
Hello, Vojtech,

just to let you know: Steinberg has just released VST SDK 3.10 and the list of changes says that Key Pressure Aftertouch is now supported! Maybe another interesting thing for you is that the library now contains VST2.4 and even AU wrapper. However, the raw MIDI communication (including Program Change messages) remains impossible...

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Miloslav

Thanks for letting me know Miloslav. I'm a little afraid, that aftertouch is useless for now and the wrappers as well, but it's good Steinberg is working on it. I'll have to make them do the raw MIDI, but I think that it's done this way because of Cubase, which now uses 64-bits for everything. Well, this happens when interface is defined by host, hmmm, this happens for all interfaces I guess

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Elektrobolt · Post by **Elektrobolt** » Thu Jul 22, 2010 2:14 pm

valsolim wrote:...raw MIDI communication .. remains impossible...

Are they enforcing sort of an abstraction layer?

valsolim · Post by **valsolim** » Fri Jul 23, 2010 2:36 pm

Elektrobolt wrote:
valsolim wrote:...raw MIDI communication .. remains impossible...
Are they enforcing sort of an abstraction layer?

Yes, exactly. The abstraction over MIDI is a really cool thing, in my opinion. However, I think that an interface for the good old raw MIDI should be preserved as a sort of backward compatibility. Unfortunately, it didn't happen.

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Miloslav

Elektrobolt · Post by **Elektrobolt** » Fri Jul 23, 2010 5:13 pm

valsolim wrote:
Elektrobolt wrote:Are they enforcing sort of an abstraction layer?
Yes, exactly. The abstraction over MIDI is a really cool thing, in my opinion. However, I think that an interface for the good old raw MIDI should be preserved as a sort of backward compatibility. Unfortunately, it didn't happen.

So, yeah, probably the reason why no raw MIDI is just the same reasons why virtually every developer don't want go to VST3.

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