KVR Audio

penguinfromdeep · Post by **penguinfromdeep** » Sun Sep 12, 2010 11:01 pm

They shouldn't have fired you Aciddose! I'm sure V2 would be great if it was your code .. Lots of brilliant minds have strange personalities or don't have so much social skills, etc. etc, hehe but if you were different you wouldn't do as brilliant code, maybe. Shame to read what happened

MacQ · Post by **MacQ** » Sun Sep 12, 2010 11:07 pm

Mike at ReFX predicted a late-September Alpha candidate. So it's a ways off yet. Possibly by Christmas?

~Stu

aciddose · Post by **aciddose** » Mon Sep 13, 2010 6:15 am

urs; i admit there may be some other definition of "through-zero" floating around, but in all my experience seeing several analog and several digital oscillators labeled that way - it means they can go through zero phase and accept negative frequency (thus, delta) values and that is all.

also, i posted my description not to argue, but so you can implement it yourself. just handle the negative delta values and input/output a sine or naive triangle or square or whatever. the depths need to be calculated on a power scale, like mod-depth = 2^(1 + fraction*7) or something like that to feel natural.

it's quite cool! produces mathematically the same results as phase modulation but the code is simpler and allows for anti-aliasing and so on.

if you get the differencing right (that is, integrate the mod input, then take the difference from integration to input each sample) it even supports feedback and produces the same results as phase modulation.

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aciddose · Post by **aciddose** » Mon Sep 13, 2010 7:04 am

feel free to ask in pm, or on the board if you'd like my version. i don't use this forum as my personal diary though - just as a diary for xhip and dsp programing

just look up the stories for any failed game release and combine that with bad work ethic and office policy (not mine, but i won't go into detail)

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Mon Sep 13, 2010 8:01 am

AD, no worries. I wasn't asking for a lesson on phase modulation vs. frequency modulation, I was just saying that through-zero oscillators can handle negative frequency while DX-synths can not. They can only handle negative phase wrap, which isn't exactly rocket science when using lookup tables for f(x) = sin(x).

Just for the records, Phase Modulation does only deliver similar results to analogue thruough-zero FM if the modulation amount of PM can be set to infinitely high values. That's because e.g. the Zeroscillator can be set to 1 Hz frequency with a DC doing -1000 Hz FM, running for a few days. Which means that a PM oscillator would need a couple of million phase wraps to do the same thing. That's just really difficult to handle, so there's not really a point.

luxth · Post by **luxth** » Mon Sep 13, 2010 8:04 am

sorry Acidose, but my impression as a forum user is that you actually used both threads for making a double game (say/not say) and cook your own revanche while keepin yourself safe.

Actually you should consider that not many people are interested to derange a thread and listen to your own failed experience. That nexus vs vanguard thing had some interesting things to say until you chimed in and started talking about what you know about the synths, but you dont know it anymore, but you suspect, but you will not tell, but people can imagine and such...

Its a pity Meffy had to lock the thread which, of course, was goin bananas at that point.

Cyforce · Post by **Cyforce** » Mon Sep 13, 2010 8:29 am

Vanguard 2 will be surely much different to version 1/1.8... So far as i known it will be coded completly by refx, so not like the 1/1.8 with many moduls from Tone2

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aciddose · Post by **aciddose** » Mon Sep 13, 2010 8:59 am

urs; yes you're right that they can run with negative frequency for quite some time, but i don't see how that's really much use. as a consequence of implementing that for use with FM, yes they could also take negative frequency values if that were routed via the linear frequency input. i never bothered to allow them to take "-1000hz" though by mirroring the exp function since i can't see any purpose for that.

i suppose it would be easy to throw in a "reverse waveform" button next to the "invert phase" button for minor timbre modifications, but that would only make sense for fairly complex waveforms.

cyphersuit · Post by **cyphersuit** » Mon Sep 13, 2010 1:16 pm

luxth wrote:sorry Acidose, but my impression as a forum user is that you actually used both threads for making a double game (say/not say) and cook your own revanche while keepin yourself safe.

Actually you should consider that not many people are interested to derange a thread and listen to your own failed experience. That nexus vs vanguard thing had some interesting things to say until you chimed in and started talking about what you know about the synths, but you dont know it anymore, but you suspect, but you will not tell, but people can imagine and such...

+1. Very estranging behaviour.

Arglebargle · Post by **Arglebargle** » Mon Sep 13, 2010 1:31 pm

I really like Vanguard. It still has a place in my arsenal, old or not. If v2 has a dongle though I'm out.

aciddose · Post by **aciddose** » Mon Sep 13, 2010 1:43 pm

cyphersuit wrote:
luxth wrote:sorry Acidose, but my impression as a forum user is that you actually used both threads for making a double game (say/not say) and cook your own revanche while keepin yourself safe.

Actually you should consider that not many people are interested to derange a thread and listen to your own failed experience. That nexus vs vanguard thing had some interesting things to say until you chimed in and started talking about what you know about the synths, but you dont know it anymore, but you suspect, but you will not tell, but people can imagine and such...
+1. Very estranging behaviour.

have you checked the post dates? i posted in this thread day later because somebody asked if anyone actually knew "anything", and i know something.

i had to point out that those things were mostly my design however, and neither mike nor manuel schleis liked them. the ultimate design might not include any of the things i posted, i really don't know.

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