The long DIVA thread

[News From The Sky]

Mark, the sequencer concept in Tyrell is *way* more complex than your examples. The implementation is supposed to be similar to Korg Electribes where *every* parameter can be automated.

I have developed a concept that outshines even that by far, but it'll appear in DIVA, if at all.

Ooo! Ooo! Ooo! Ooo!

Normally I don't like built-in sequencers, since they tend to be fiddly (and shoved into a cramped UI), limited in flexibility, and are tied to the instrument that hosts them, making it a pain to archive sequences or move them to other instruments, etc. It feels like having a guitar with a built-in digital recorder that doesn't export files or have removable media. But if Urs has a sequencer that greatly outshines the Electribes then I'm definitely curious (though I'd rather a standalone that writes MIDI files) - even if it just means I steal all his ideas to build them into a custom Max 4 Live sequencer.

[Urs]

The aspect of outshining isn't exactly in the sequencer department itself, but rather in the idea of using the modulations saved in the sequencer steps as articulations.

[News From The Sky]

Kind of like parameter locks on the Elektron boxes?

[Urs]

Kind of like parameter locks on the Elektron boxes?

I'm not sure... merely like the coloured keys on Symptohm? - but not just...

[News From The Sky]

Kind of like parameter locks on the Elektron boxes?

I'm not sure... merely like the coloured keys on Symptohm? - but not just...

Well, I'm intrigued. I don't know how you find time to sleep though.

[Crackbaby]

May i please request that you make this synth very usable with upcoming 1.6 vst hosting on NI's Maschine? That would mean, that you should be able to not use the mouse at all, only the maschine, far away from the computer Also it would help if everything was made in 4's or 8's - a group of four knobs, 8 buttons, 8 sliders etc.

I cant be the only one looking for synths that will go well with maschine
Most other midi controllers has 4-8 controllers also. Some with 4+4+1 sliders for organ plugins, then the 4 or 8 knobs with 4 or 8 buttons below .. im sure all those users would love a synth like that too



Thanks for making great products Urs!

[gentleclockdivider]

@ the poster above , so you want a plugin developer to layout the gui so it suits n.i. machine ?
Hell no

[Crackbaby]

@ the poster above , so you want a plugin developer to layout the gui so it suits n.i. machine ?
Hell no

Uh .. i want it to have it's layout in eights, and as i said, not only maschine uses this. Check any hardware controller and it will most likely be set up like this.

Maschine (and behringer bcr2000) is for my personal request, but im sure anyone with a hardware controller would benefit from it.

Anyway, this was a request from me to Urs. As an Ace customer and as a customer who's looking for software that will fit well with this 8x configuration used by most hardware controllers.

If anyone was offended by my prioir post or this one i could try to clarify my point of view and my arguments better. Though i have no idea why my first post was unclear and why anyone would have anything against my request and/or against maschine in general.
Of course im not suggesting that you were offended or that you had anything against my request or maschine.

[Urs]

Well, I always try to keep control surfaces in mind. I don't think there's a recipe that works for each and everyone though. Thus my priority is always functionality over these, e.g. I won't make a huge compromise to cater for a raster-of-8 layout. Usually things can be mapped in one way or the other, no matter what.

However, maybe the future lies in dedicated controllers or touch surfaces which can be customised to fit individual needs.

Urs

[Echoes in the Attic]

You make a good point Crackbaby. And it's something most developers haven't cought on to yet. Almost every decent controller is groups of 8. Remote SL, APC40, BCR2000, Korg nano controllers, akai MPD32, Maschine, Kore etc etc.

Plug-ins that had parameters organized in groups of 8 would actually be really good for all control surfaces.

[justin3am]

You make a good point Crackbaby. And it's something most developers haven't cought on to yet. Almost every decent controller is groups of 8. Remote SL, APC40, BCR2000, Korg nano controllers, akai MPD32, Maschine, Kore etc etc.

Plug-ins that had parameters organized in groups of 8 would actually be really good for all control surfaces.

This would be great... if all DAWs communicated plug-in parameters to control surfaces the same way, which they don't. It'd be really nice if DAW developers could decide on a standard way of interfacing with control surfaces (not HUI!) that would allow control surfaces to map parameters intelligently without the use of something like Automap.

There are a lot of obstacles to overcome to make control surfaces work with DAWs in an intelligent way. I don't think asking plug-in developers to group parameters in 8s is the best way to go about it.

[Doven]

Maybe the reason they are in a 4/8 layout is because thumbs are awkward to trigger with? Anyway even my Edirol is in banks of 4. Might be something to it.

[necho2]

Maybe I missed it.... but is TyrellN6 a "fork" of DIVA or did DIVA become TyrellN6?

I'm absolutely loving Tyrell. The most fun I've had with a synth in ages. So much fun, in fact, that I spent most of Sunday recreating the Bladerunner end credits theme with it

EDIT: Just found the answer. Exchangeable oscillator models - oh my!

Now I'm going to be checking this bloody thread every day until DIVA arrives.... sigh!

[Urs]

Maybe I missed it.... but is TyrellN6 a "fork" of DIVA or did DIVA become TyrellN6?

I'm absolutely loving Tyrell. The most fun I've had with a synth in ages. So much fun, in fact, that I spent most of Sunday recreating the Bladerunner end credits theme with it

Tyrell is a rather small fork of DIVA.

The gist of DIVA is the ability to exchange components with different character. So you could have the Oberheimesque filter of TyrellN6 or a rather Korgish filter... that kind of stuff...

Cheers,

Urs

[hakey]

The gist of DIVA is the ability to exchange components with different character.

How about including a TB303 feature?

There's an interesting description of how the 'Accent' circuit produces behaviour that is unique to the 303 here:

http://www.firstpr.com.au/rwi/dfish/303-unique.html

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