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Howard wrote:
hakey wrote:Without perfect intervals the harmonics are not at exactly the same frequency, so you lose any idea of harmonic phase sync
Yes.
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(a slight correction - where I wrote 'perfect' intervals I should really have written 'just' or 'pure')

The remaining question is whether any long cycle phase reset changes the timbre?

Using PJ's top octave divider data for every 451 duty cycles of C# there are 379 of E (379 is prime). There are a few notes for which the common denominator is lower - eg the ratio C#:G is 41:29. And then there is one pure/just 3:2 interval for D:A.

One way to test the effect of phase reset on timbre might be using two oscillators set to phase retrigger, their relative pitch as close as possible to the relevant integer ratio (eg 41:29) and then compare the resulting timbre with the same set up but one oscillator tuned 3 or 4 cents away.

Comparing an interval of 702 cents (the closest you can get to a pure fifth in Zebra) with one of 700 cents (equal temperament) there is, as expected, a difference in timbre - there's an audible slow phasing at 700 cents that is *almost* absent at 702.

My hunch is that for higher integer ratios - 41:29 rather than 3:2 - there will be so much enharmonic phase interference that any phase reset will not be audible.

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Howard wrote:
Urs wrote:Like tonewheel organs I guess string ensembles are slightly off off equal temperament.
They're equal temperament.
Look at pj's data sheet. The 'error cents' shows deviation for each note from equal temperament. It's clear that equal temperament was the aim, but the result isn't absolutely equal temperament - it's slightly off. ;)

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hakey wrote:
Howard wrote:
Urs wrote:Like tonewheel organs I guess string ensembles are slightly off off equal temperament.
They're equal temperament.
Look at pj's data sheet. The 'error cents' shows deviation for each note from equal temperament. It's clear that equal temperament was the aim, but the result isn't absolutely equal temperament - it's slightly off. ;)
Sorry, I was talking about tonewheel organs, not string machines. Do you have a link for "PJ's data sheet" (I haven't been following this entire thread)?

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Howard wrote:Sorry, I was talking about tonewheel organs, not string machines. Do you have a link for "PJ's data sheet" (I haven't been following this entire thread)?
It's on the last page - tone wheel data too.

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Just been experimenting with prime partial ratios in ACE. Interestingly there is a notable difference with pure integer ratios vs those tuned a cent to one side or the other. That said the highest available prime partial in ACE is 23 - I wonder what the result would be for a ratio of 41:29, or 451:379? :?

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hakey wrote:
Howard wrote:Sorry, I was talking about tonewheel organs, not string machines. Do you have a link for "PJ's data sheet" (I haven't been following this entire thread)?
It's on the last page - tone wheel data too.
My authoritative :wink: wild guess appears to be wrong - interesting stuff! I'd like to read more details about Hammond tone wheels...

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Howard wrote:I'd like to read more details about Hammond tone wheels
I reckon pj's your man... :wink:

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So yesterday I was playing with Alex Hacke's MS-20 which is hibernating at my place while he's on tour. I just had to, after listening to Cytomic-Andy's stunning Drop examples. Thing is, Andy's Sallen-Key filters sound more like it than the virtual MS-20, the iMS or even the Monotron. The Monotron just doesn't drive hard enough to get the filter all bubbled up, I guess. Might need to mod it.

Today then I decided to make a build of Tyrell with Diva's original algorithm playground. Which has various attempts to the Sallen-Key department. Just to see... That stuff sounds yet different, but certainly not bad at all. Really not too shabby... Actually... I'm quite happy :D

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Any little sound example maybe? :oops: 8)

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Righty... 32 Megabytes full of resonance, drive and osc volume adjustments. And a really bad timing at the end.

http://www.u-he.com/music/DivaTestSallenKeyOTA.wav

Don't say you weren't warned! :p

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God... the end is sooo bad...

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Urs wrote:Righty... 32 Megabytes full of resonance, drive and osc volume adjustments. And a really bad timing at the end.

http://www.u-he.com/music/DivaTestSallenKeyOTA.wav

Don't say you weren't warned! :p
Awesome :love:
I love how the filter "screams" :)

Cheers
Dennis

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Bronto Scorpio wrote:
Urs wrote:Righty... 32 Megabytes full of resonance, drive and osc volume adjustments. And a really bad timing at the end.

http://www.u-he.com/music/DivaTestSallenKeyOTA.wav

Don't say you weren't warned! :p
Awesome :love:
I love how the filter "screams" :)
That's what it does. The sound with detuned sawtooths is not yet right though.

The diode-version is not in a working condition, but that one really *screams*.

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Urs wrote:Righty... 32 Megabytes full of resonance, drive and osc volume adjustments. And a really bad timing at the end.

http://www.u-he.com/music/DivaTestSallenKeyOTA.wav

Don't say you weren't warned! :p
Kin ell!

that is so hideous, yet so gooooood!

:D

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More food for DIVA arrived today:

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When have you last seen a Maxikorg/800dv/K3/Univox in such an immaculate condition?

:D

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