The long DIVA thread
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- KVRAF
- 2169 posts since 7 Dec, 2005
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- KVRAF
- 2169 posts since 7 Dec, 2005
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Funkybot's Evil Twin Funkybot's Evil Twin https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=116627
- KVRAF
- 12453 posts since 16 Aug, 2006
Where is DIVA fitting into the general U-He development schedule? I'm guessing the next Zebra update is first, but will that mean that DIVA gets all the attention after, or will time be spent on other things? Any chance of DIVA before Christmas?
I haven't been this excited for a synth in a long time.
I haven't been this excited for a synth in a long time.
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- KVRian
- 1095 posts since 12 Jan, 2011
Forgive me if I am asking an answered question, but 24+ pages is too much for my weary eyes . . .
According to www.u-he.com, "We've been silent for a while, but far from idle! Urs and Clemens are still working feverishly on our NEW SYNTH. If all goes well, there'll be a major announcement soon." Is this synth the one or is it Berlin Modular that is being released soon?
According to www.u-he.com, "We've been silent for a while, but far from idle! Urs and Clemens are still working feverishly on our NEW SYNTH. If all goes well, there'll be a major announcement soon." Is this synth the one or is it Berlin Modular that is being released soon?
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- KVRAF
- 1617 posts since 11 Dec, 2008 from Minneapolis
Urs has made some recent posts in the non-sticky'd DIVA teaser thread in this forum about progress on development. Good news sorts of things, worth checking out!
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Sound Mechanics Sound Mechanics https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=54454 - KVRAF
- 1663 posts since 10 Jan, 2005 from UK
Will DIVA sound much different from Zebra and ACE?
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- KVRAF
- 24414 posts since 7 Jan, 2009 from Croatia
It's gonna sound better and more analog 
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penguinfromdeep penguinfromdeep https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=193898
- KVRAF
- 1993 posts since 18 Nov, 2008
+1 
circuit modeling and 0-dfb filters are cool
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Sound Mechanics Sound Mechanics https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=54454
- KVRAF
- 1663 posts since 10 Jan, 2005 from UK
Sorry, I'm being a bit impatient but in what way? I am not a coder so I haven't a clue but is it a new way of approaching programming like the modelling of individual components?EvilDragon wrote:It's gonna sound better and more analog
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- KVRAF
- 13755 posts since 19 Jun, 2008 from Seattle
I heard it includes ALL of THE MOST successful versions of "this plug-in".EvilDragon wrote:It's gonna sound better and more analog
I'm not a musician, but I've designed sounds that others use to make music. http://soundcloud.com/obsidiananvil
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- KVRAF
- 24414 posts since 7 Jan, 2009 from Croatia
Basically, DIVA's component modeling is not based on digital filters that employ a 1-sample delay in their feedback loop (Z^-1 block). That delay is responsible for incorrect behavior of filter resonance and filter FM... so you can expect a lot better sound in that regard. Urs and co. are basically using a prediction mechanism instead of a 1-sample delay. This translates to a lot of CPU needed, but also a sound that's a lot more faithful to the venerable analog sound.
At least that's my understanding. Urs, or anybody else, correct me if I'm wrong about something.
At least that's my understanding. Urs, or anybody else, correct me if I'm wrong about something.
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Sound Mechanics Sound Mechanics https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=54454
- KVRAF
- 1663 posts since 10 Jan, 2005 from UK
Do VA hardware synths already employ this type of modelling?EvilDragon wrote:Basically, DIVA's component modeling is not based on digital filters that employ a 1-sample delay in their feedback loop (Z^-1 block). That delay is responsible for incorrect behavior of filter resonance and filter FM... so you can expect a lot better sound in that regard. Urs and co. are basically using a prediction mechanism instead of a 1-sample delay. This translates to a lot of CPU needed, but also a sound that's a lot more faithful to the venerable analog sound.
At least that's my understanding. Urs, or anybody else, correct me if I'm wrong about something.
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- KVRAF
- 24414 posts since 7 Jan, 2009 from Croatia
Nope, not a single one from my knowledge. It really needs a lot of CPU, and current DSP CPUs used in VAs (for example Sharc DSP in Virus) aren't fit for the task. Hey, even current i7 CPUs won't give you more than 2-3 notes of polyphony per core on highest quality setting of DIVA!
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- u-he
- Topic Starter
- 30194 posts since 8 Aug, 2002 from Berlin
in short: We hope to release Diva before xmas. We also hope to get Zebra 2.6 into public testing this year. After that we'll push ACE and Berlin Modular forward, with hopefully a bit of other plugs inbetween.
We've etablished a nice workflow for Diva. I hope we can keep that for Berlin Modular next year.
Regarding the technology, Evil Dragon is quite right. We've developed an amazingly fast prediction algorithm that allows us to calculate the output of a filter - with itself as an input variable (chicken and egg problem). In addition we carefully analysed a range of analogue synths and compared their behaviour to papers, emulations, simulations and our algorithms. Latter we tweaked to match as good as it gets.
We're doing Diva first because it's a simple synth and because it might honestly appeal to a wider audience than any of the other stuff in the pipeline. We will take this technology further in the other u-he plugs, which do not necessarily need to sound like this or that but have a certain degree of freedom.
That's it in a nutshell
We've etablished a nice workflow for Diva. I hope we can keep that for Berlin Modular next year.
Regarding the technology, Evil Dragon is quite right. We've developed an amazingly fast prediction algorithm that allows us to calculate the output of a filter - with itself as an input variable (chicken and egg problem). In addition we carefully analysed a range of analogue synths and compared their behaviour to papers, emulations, simulations and our algorithms. Latter we tweaked to match as good as it gets.
We're doing Diva first because it's a simple synth and because it might honestly appeal to a wider audience than any of the other stuff in the pipeline. We will take this technology further in the other u-he plugs, which do not necessarily need to sound like this or that but have a certain degree of freedom.
That's it in a nutshell
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Bronto Scorpio Bronto Scorpio https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=98170 - KVRAF
- 5546 posts since 13 Feb, 2006 from Wiesmoor, Germany
That would be awesome!Urs wrote:We also hope to get Zebra 2.6 into public testing this year.
Cheers
Dennis