indistinguishable from hardware ??

[Meffy]

Thank you :-)
What about you, izonin, now? At least I posted these because of you...

Yes, I'm sure you took good care in preparing these samples, which have to prove that your emulation is indistinguishable from the original. :P I'm not falling for this.

You "fell for it" already. You made a bold claim, then when challenged you tried to sneak away with a weak dodge.

By refusing to take a simple test, you've tacitly admitted that your claim was false all along.

If I were in that situation, I'd take the test in hopes of salvaging some crumbs of credibility. If I couldn't do what I said I could (identify which was the real hardware synth and which was an emulation I'd called "poor"), I would admit I'd been wrong. A one-shot embarrassment would beat knowing from then on that I'd shown I was afraid to live up to my own words... and knowing that everyone else knew that about me.

And who knows? Maybe I really could make good on my big words. Think you can make good on yours? Do it.

[aciddose]

i'm not familiar with the ob-x, but i've just looked at the schematics.

the oscillator is a generic integrator, the reset pulse generation is a bit unique but really the resulting timbre is impossible to distinguish except in extreme cases.

this feeds into a 12db/o "state-variable" filter and the lowpass output is tapped and passes into a generic OTA based vca.

this synthesizer is the least unique synthesizer ever designed and the best possible case!

xhip sounds like this, only it can do 10x and so can create timbres impossible with the ob-x due to different modes which might emulate various effects found in more distinctive analog circuits. (xmod, phase offsets, asymmetric slew, saturation, etc.)

i'm sure it's possible to find edge-cases, though. for example using the sync control you will be able to create situations where the software fails and creates aliasing quite easily at higher frequencies. not that it isn't possible to do perfectly, but it's a very common bug in sync implementations which i would bet exists in this software as well.

as an answer to this thread it works.

it is possible to detect differences based upon corner-cases or simply due to noise or other effects present only in the electronics.

it's also possible to determine which toaster has been used to toast a particular slice of bread based upon the grill patterns...

try finding a perfect emulation of the other synthesizers he listed though. i think that will be far more difficult.

apparently, the ob-x sucks balls and you can accurately emulate it's sucking using a huge variety of generic subtractive software synthesizers.

[izonin]

Thank you
What about you, izonin, now? At least I posted these because of you...

Yes, I'm sure you took good care in preparing these samples, which have to prove that your emulation is indistinguishable from the original. I'm not falling for this.

You "fell for it" already. You made a bold claim, then when challenged you tried to sneak away with a weak dodge.

By refusing to take a simple test, you've tacitly admitted that your claim was false all along.

If I were in that situation, I'd take the test in hopes of salvaging some crumbs of credibility. If I couldn't do what I said I could (identify which was the real hardware synth and which was an emulation I'd called "poor"), I would admit I'd been wrong. A one-shot embarrassment would beat knowing from then on that I'd shown I was afraid to live up to my own words... and knowing that everyone else knew that about me.

And who knows? Maybe I really could make good on my big words. Think you can make good on yours? Do it.

I already took the test watching that Youtube video. I'll download a demo version of the synth tomorrow. If you're still interested, I'll share my impression.

[Meffy]

No, that's not what the test is. The test involves listening to the samples provided and distinguishing between hardware and software. Since one is a "poor" emulation of the other, you shouldn't need to resort to such dodges. You didn't stipulate any need to spend a whole day building up to the exercise before, just said you could tell them apart.

[Gamma-UT]

I already took the test watching that Youtube video.

You mean the one where they tell you which is which? You must have been a hoot at school ("I'm not being tricked into doing this exam, I need to know the answers first.")

[aciddose]

I already took the test watching that Youtube video.

You mean the one where they tell you which is which? You must have been a hoot at school ("I'm not being tricked into doing this exam, I need to know the answers first.")

i used the same answer as most such cases: i'm not doing it because this test is stupid.

[izonin]

No, that's not what the test is. The test involves listening to the samples provided and distinguishing between hardware and software. Since one is a "poor" emulation of the other, you shouldn't need to resort to such dodges. You didn't stipulate any need to spend a whole day building up to the exercise before, just said you could tell them apart.

Yep, the examples in the video didn't sound like the hardware to me. I guess it's up to you to trust me or not. It's just my opinion.

[Meffy]

It's not me you have to convince. It's you. I don't think you're there yet.

[jupiter8]

The easy cop out would be to say the youtube example wasn't very convincing but this one was.I guess i was wrong after all.

[Meffy]

I guess i was wrong after all.

*nelsonmuntzhaha*

Me? I can't tell stuff apart. Heard too many minimoogs to claim there was one minimoog sound, or that an emulation sounds less like a "real" mini than any given other "real" mini. And so forth. I know I'm fallible and have ears of mere brass, or perhaps galvanized steel.

[izonin]

It's not me you have to convince. It's you. I don't think you're there yet.

I'm pretty convinced, thank you. But I'll demo the software.

[PAK]

xhip sounds like this, only it can do 10x and so can create timbres impossible with the ob-x due to different modes which might emulate various effects found in more distinctive analog circuits

Of course. Then, since it's so simple sounding, it shouldn't take you long to copy some of these same sounds with your synth and post them to prove your point. So, please, spend 10 minutes of your valuable time and post some actual audio comparisons. Direct audio comparisons speak far more than your words ever can or will on these matters..

apparently, the ob-x sucks balls

Hahaha. Well, you've read the schematics, so it must be true

[Peter999]

i'm not familiar with the ob-x, but i've just looked at the schematics.

bla bla

apparently, the ob-x sucks balls and you can accurately emulate it's sucking using a huge variety of generic subtractive software synthesizers.

that's exactly why OB-X and the 4/8-Voice are some of the most sought after synths on the planet, because they suck balls! ha ha ho!

[Tony Ostinato]

search google for "uncanny valley", a lot of that probably applies to emulated synth sound as well.

i can relate it to trumpet mouthpiece size. when i was in school the teachers talked me into using a very large mouthpiece because you get a nice dark tone that way.

thing is its way more work to play high notes and way more work over the hours of a gig. a lot more likely ill be crabby by the end of that gig too.

and then these other trumpeters would show up with much much smaller mouthpieces and the sound engineer will just turn the bass eq up on him to match our tones, doh!!

in fairness i think my teachers had more of a classical career in mind for me, but i wish id known more at that time because switching trumpet mouthpieces takes forever. i finally settled on a 5c because you can get em anywhere.

fast forward to now and i play windsynth/laptop so im much more cheerful. along with wivi and halion and kontakt i use albino3 and arturia's moog modular and arp2600.

i like the arturias because they are light on cpu and play well at a 48 samples asio buffer, and have an easy to use preset/program change setup.

and i get applause for them reliably and so far noone has come up and said anything bad about the synths.

now i know theres closer emulations, not to mention the real things but i trade that off for lighter on the cpu and just plain lighter.

[Peter999]

still no vote from izonin? is it that hard? anyone else?

I'll post them once more, and will soon give the solution (and the winner is...)