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The Chubu · Post by **The Chubu** » Sun Nov 06, 2011 5:21 am

All taken melodies are taken, the not taken melodies arent taken.

A.M. Gold · Post by **A.M. Gold** » Sun Nov 06, 2011 8:50 am

This is a pointless argument because it would be impossible to prove. You could spend your entire life checking to see if "x" melodic idea already existed within the entire body of music previously released in some way for public consumption.

It's also irrelevant on its face, since almost all music released for public consumption has harmony as well as melody, and the harmony literally alters the impact or "meaning" of the melody, since any melody will come across differently if it is supported by different harmony.

If the issue is plagiarism (whether intentional or not) then the harmony would have to be taken into account. I'm not saying that in court cases that factors in, but by any reasonable measure of overall musical originality, it has to, IMO.

mellotronaut · Post by **mellotronaut** » Sun Nov 06, 2011 9:26 am

The Chubu wrote:All taken melodies are taken, the not taken melodies arent taken.

there is some truth in it

dalor · Post by **dalor** » Sun Nov 06, 2011 12:24 pm

jancivil wrote:
dalor wrote:
aciddose wrote:unfortunately it's a simple fact that melodies can be recognized regardless of rhythm.
Absolutely - and it sounds extremely awkward in most cases (BUT recogniseable as you said!) There is a strong relationship between note-delta's and time-deltas (stating the obvious).

IMO the limitation of melodies already starts by the bass/chords and progression. In western pop music there are only of couple of progressions that are 'acceptable' and constructed with a certain receipe
well, that's an opinion alright, I grant you that much! However, neither you, or aciddose, have shown anything factual [EDIT/] nor have you revealed how it's "obvious".

OK I should have stated earlier this is *one* (my) opinion *only*. I think we agree to disagree and that's cool. If one don't hears how 'off' it sounds to play melody1 using intervals of melody2 there is not much I can argue and it becomes a personal preference. I guess the level of acceptable abstraction is too limited for my mind which I can (and need to) live with.

dreamkeeper · Post by **dreamkeeper** » Sun Nov 06, 2011 1:27 pm

mellotronaut wrote:
The Chubu wrote:All taken melodies are taken, the not taken melodies arent taken.
there is some truth in it

The truth™ is already taken.

jancivil · Post by **jancivil** » Sun Nov 06, 2011 5:45 pm

dalor wrote:
jancivil wrote:
dalor wrote:
aciddose wrote:unfortunately it's a simple fact that melodies can be recognized regardless of rhythm.
Absolutely - and it sounds extremely awkward in most cases (BUT recogniseable as you said!) There is a strong relationship between note-delta's and time-deltas (stating the obvious).

IMO the limitation of melodies already starts by the bass/chords and progression. In western pop music there are only of couple of progressions that are 'acceptable' and constructed with a certain receipe
well, that's an opinion alright, I grant you that much! However, neither you, or aciddose, have shown anything factual [EDIT/] nor have you revealed how it's "obvious".
OK I should have stated earlier this is *one* (my) opinion *only*. I think we agree to disagree and that's cool. If one don't hears how 'off' it sounds to play melody1 using intervals of melody2 there is not much I can argue and it becomes a personal preference. I guess the level of acceptable abstraction is too limited for my mind which I can (and need to) live with.

so you have an opinion about something you don't really understand. great. thanks for sharing.

dalor · Post by **dalor** » Sun Nov 06, 2011 7:01 pm

We established its not about understanding but personal preference and taste. We could equally discuss how musical white noise is or the sheer brilliance of There is a system in everything, so what. Random notes or complex systems that create sequences can be called music if *you* want.

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Sun Nov 06, 2011 10:37 pm

just play it backwards, slightly increased tempo and on a differnt synth patch and call it your own

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Sun Nov 06, 2011 10:40 pm

dalor wrote:We established its not about understanding but personal preference and taste. We could equally discuss how musical white noise is

f**king marvelous album

and very musical

Ogg Vorbis · Post by **Ogg Vorbis** » Sun Nov 06, 2011 10:53 pm

All the mediocre melodies are taken. The remaining melodies still available are many of the bad ones and most of the great ones.

sjm · Post by **sjm** » Sun Nov 06, 2011 11:20 pm

from 1:49 if you're the lazy type

It works the other way too - note length gives you many variations of even the same note.

Aroused by JarJar · Post by **Aroused by JarJar** » Sat Nov 19, 2011 6:05 am

Why bother having sex, I mean, jeez, it's so old, it's been done billions of times.

aciddose · Post by **aciddose** » Sat Nov 19, 2011 11:14 am

[insert clip of peg dragging al into bedroom with al crying]

tapper mike · Post by **tapper mike** » Sat Nov 19, 2011 4:05 pm

No Peg, the socks stay on.

@midnight · Post by **@midnight** » Sat Nov 19, 2011 4:17 pm

It's ridiculous to think every melody has taken. Try getting out of common time signatures (3/4, 4/4) start writing in 7/8, 6/4, 9/8, 13/8 etc.... get crazy with it.

Even in 4/4 you can write original melodies, by lengthening shortening notes etc, it is definitely possible.

Are all melodies taken?