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Architeuthis · Post by **Architeuthis** » Tue Nov 15, 2011 8:22 am

Howard wrote:
Architeuthis wrote:Can someone explain to me why on each consecutive note you get a random amount of perfectly fixed detune? I don't know what analog oscillator this is trying to emulate.
Depends on the trimmer settings i.e. you don't get if you don't want.

Yes you're right, but I think there's more to it than that. The random detune seems to be decided per voice, as in Voice 1, 2, 3, etc. all have their own fixed detune. Actually, it seems that each voice has a constant drift ontop of the fixed detune. Props to U-he for this.

Howard · Post by **Howard** » Tue Nov 15, 2011 8:27 am

Architeuthis wrote:Actually, it seems that each voice has a constant drift ontop of the fixed detune.

Try reducing the "Drift" value?

Architeuthis · Post by **Architeuthis** » Tue Nov 15, 2011 8:31 am

Lol, please understand that I am very much in agreement with pitch drift. I don't need to know how to turn it off.

Edit: The problem was that I didn't understand the random FIXED detune... which I discovered is not random and is simply different voices aka different oscillators playing.

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Tue Nov 15, 2011 8:59 am

Yes, the random fixed detune are probably doing what voice tuning trimpots in an Oberheim OB-X do...

Howard · Post by **Howard** » Tue Nov 15, 2011 9:29 am

EvilDragon wrote:Yes, the random fixed detune are probably doing what voice tuning trimpots in an Oberheim OB-X do...

... or CS80 or any first-generation polyphonic synth. BTW: "random fixed"?

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Tue Nov 15, 2011 9:36 am

Yes, all trimpots do that. We've done best of both worlds though: Complete access to oscillator tunings as well as a set of single knobs to turn it to taste.

That is, anyone who wants to tweak can do that, and even re-randomise the filter/env/whathaveyou slop till it fits.

Other ones can however simply adjust the level of slop by turning a knob that scales the overall amount. E.g. people who use microtuning will appreciate exact tuning.

So it's as easy or as complicated as one likes

snigelx · Post by **snigelx** » Tue Nov 15, 2011 9:43 am

Long time coming. Finally it is realised that these are days when we can 'suffer CPU' for quality. I usually end up bouncing a lot of audio from my Blofeld and Juno anyway so why not do the same for a crisp 'Divine'-sounding digital softsynth. Bring this on. It is sounding quite unique guys. Nothing sounds like this currently. Great effort. It's fun pushing her. real nice character that I can't wait to try in some mixes upon purchase. Please keep working the kinks out of this one. I know you will! congrats

alexfalcao · Post by **alexfalcao** » Tue Nov 15, 2011 9:57 am

Echoes in the Attic wrote:I can't help but imagine DIVA with Zebra's arpeggiator. DIVA is meant to be arped and the Zebra arp is perfect.

+1

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Tue Nov 15, 2011 10:01 am

Howard wrote:BTW: "random fixed"?

Early morning Croatian brain fart!

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Tue Nov 15, 2011 10:11 am

alexfalcao wrote:
Echoes in the Attic wrote:I can't help but imagine DIVA with Zebra's arpeggiator. DIVA is meant to be arped and the Zebra arp is perfect.
+1

Yeah, if only Zebra would output MIDI when arp is active, you could use it to drive Diva - initialize the patch with something simple so it doesn't take a lot CPU, turn on the arp, and off you go!

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Tue Nov 15, 2011 10:20 am

EvilDragon wrote:
alexfalcao wrote:
Echoes in the Attic wrote:I can't help but imagine DIVA with Zebra's arpeggiator. DIVA is meant to be arped and the Zebra arp is perfect.
+1
Yeah, if only Zebra would output MIDI when arp is active, you could use it to drive Diva - initialize the patch with something simple so it doesn't take a lot CPU, turn on the arp, and off you go!

Yes , an Arp woukld be nice. Currently i use the one which is built in at Ableton Live 8 so it's no big problem. As an external step sequencer i usually use WOK Clockwork.

BTW i am just recreating a bunch of Jupiter 8 sounds. Diva is really perfect for those.

I'll publish the first presets here today or tomorrow maybe.

The funny thing is that last week i started creating Jupiter 8 sounds for my upcoming Synthmaster 2.5 bank (based on e.g. patch sheets, samples and audio demos) and now Diva arrives with an almost perfect emulation. I will still create those Synthmaster presets but i will use Diva as a reference now. I guess i will purchase it tomorrow.

Ingo

jimmo · Post by **jimmo** » Tue Nov 15, 2011 10:24 am

URS! Ich liebe dich

Das ist mit Abstand die am besten klingende Filter Emulation!!! Vor allem das Resonanzverhalten (nennt man das so?) ist erstaunlich nah an der echten WElt. Ich hatte ne Zeit nen Moog Prodigy bei mir stehn' und Diva ist die erste Software, die mich an einen Moog Filter denken lässt. Und nicht nur der Filter ist gorßartigt.

Mogular · Post by **Mogular** » Tue Nov 15, 2011 10:47 am

Ingonator wrote:
BTW i am just recreating a bunch of Jupiter 8 sounds. Diva is really perfect for those.
I'll publish the first presets here today or tomorrow maybe.

Ingo

How are you going with matching Diva with high resonance sounds from the Jupiter?

Comparing Diva with the sounds at http://www.gearslutz.com/board/electron ... jp8v2.html I have had a lot of trouble getting the resonance that CoolColJ gets out of his Jupiter.

If I change the filter type from clean to rough, I get a better result but that filter seems to change things in other ways. Any hints?

Crackbaby · Post by **Crackbaby** » Tue Nov 15, 2011 11:08 am

Could anyone please start a Diva FAQ thread?

With a thread that's growing by 5 pages everytime i check it, it's kind of hard to keep track on what's been asked and what's been answered!

Things that should be included:

What are the modules based on, how to most authentically pick presets for a certain synth? (ie, i think only saw/square from DCO is juno6?)

The randomizer buttons, what do they do?

The 8 pan knobs (how does it work?)

What does the feedback do? (from highpass section)

Just a few questions of which i've seen some answered and some not

Btw, Jupiter 8 with rough filter is my absolute favourite

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Tue Nov 15, 2011 11:12 am

Mogular wrote:
Ingonator wrote:
BTW i am just recreating a bunch of Jupiter 8 sounds. Diva is really perfect for those.
I'll publish the first presets here today or tomorrow maybe.

Ingo
How are you going with matching Diva with high resonance sounds from the Jupiter?

Comparing Diva with the sounds at http://www.gearslutz.com/board/electron ... jp8v2.html I have had a lot of trouble getting the resonance that CoolColJ gets out of his Jupiter.

If I change the filter type from clean to rough, I get a better result but that filter seems to change things in other ways. Any hints?

I just finished a bunch of Synth Brass sounds where this is not a big problem. Maybe i could check your example later.

About the filters: AFAIK the "Clean" mode is the Jupiter 8 and the "Rough" mode from the Juno 60. The multimode filter seems to be from the Jupiter 6.

Lots of things like envelope amount, Cutoff, envelope settings and keytrack amount (both for filter and envelopes) are responsible for the Resonance response so this is quite complex.
Another problem could be that Diva got no 12dB filter like the real thing. It looks it got only the 24dB filter.

Another difference is that Diva got no Unison so far.

UPDATE:
I just made a short test with full resonance. It seems to much less if you add the Feedback module. If you turn that module off you get much more resonance.
The filter keyfollow amount has a big influence of the Resonance behavior too.

I will recheck my presets as i have used the Feedback module in some of them.

Those demos in your link sound like there was some FX like a Reverb or Delay added to the JP-8 example.

Ingo

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