The long DIVA thread

[Howard]

never mind...

[Pinky Marvin]

I bought ACE but never really got along with it.Diva however is simply amazing, I love the interface, it's quick and simple and sounds glorious.Definitely the best analogue emulation I've tried and there have been a few !

Urs, if you read this can you confirm if you are still planning to model the 800dv ?

[Shy]

It sounds great. A single VCO sawtooth sounds almost identical to Nord Lead 2 sawtooth.

It lacks a -lot- in high frequencies compared to Nord Lead 2 or 2X, even with the brightest filter setting. It also lacks lots of brightness compared to various analog synths. That's just one aspect where it lacks, I shouldn't mention sync, modulation, etc. or post examples again. Also, none of those hardware synths use any "EQ" to get a bright sound, trying to compensate for the software's lack using EQ doesn't really work, and this problem doesn't only affect fully open filter sounds, the "muffle" is in anything from simple sounds to complex/modulated/synced/blippy/high resonance/sweeps/whatever sounds.

NL2X saw
Diva saw (rendered at 96kHz, same as NL2X's DAC)

Don't complain about the slight RMS mismatch, the cause is Diva's waveform being all over the place.

I'll just leave now, so if anyone feels like saying that I suck or don't know a damn thing, don't bother. If you're totally happy, I'm happy for you. I don't feel like again expanding with more examples or explanations or reading that this is such a great emulation modeled on great analog synths that sound just as good as it and worse in some cases. I'll just comment that developers should strive for much better results than this. The progress so far has been insufficient to say the least. Ah and "In My Opinion (tm)".

[RiffsAndBeats]

Notes drops out when sequencing Diva on Cubase 6 Essential.
It worked on FLStudio 9 on the same computer without any problems.

[davidka]

I love this synth. With it's simplicity and raw sound, it complements Synthmaster perfectly.
I don't even have any feature requests... I just hope that I'll be able to buy a copy.

[bmrzycki]

I don't feel like again expanding with more examples or explanations or reading that this is such a great emulation modeled on great analog synths that sound just as good as it and worse in some cases.

I'd be interested to know specific problems you have with the emulation. The key thing would be to do a 1:1 comparison of the analog counterpart. Comparing Diva's emulation of analog to Nord's VA emulation of analog won't get us anywhere. Just coming in here and saying "Diva doesn't sound like a Nord" doesn't really benefit anyone.

[justin3am]

Ah and "In My Opinion (tm)".

That's okay shy. While I don't always (probably rarely) agree with you, I always respect your opinion. I've said elsewhere that you won't catch me saying "WOW this sounds teh uber analog"; I have analog synths for making analog sounds. I do however believe that this is the best sounding softsynth I've ever heard. I know that there are a few who would disagree with me but that doesn't matter much as far as I'm concerned.

[Bronto Scorpio]

Yep! Everyone who knows me knows that I don't like emulations. I'm just interested in forward looking software that uses the advantages of digital technology and doesn't try to sound like something "vintage". Sadly this kind of software is very, very rare (Basically just Zebra and a few others).

But DIVA sounds incredible! The first time I really hear something unique "analog" in a softsynth. I don't know how close it is to the originals but I trust Urs and the team on that

Cheers
Dennis

[penguinfromdeep]

It lacks a -lot- in high frequencies compared to Nord Lead 2 or 2X, even with the brightest filter setting. It also lacks lots of brightness compared to various analog synths. That's just one aspect where it lacks, I shouldn't mention sync, .

Diva doesn't try to model Nord Lead so your comparison is kind of meh ... Better comparison would be for example Juno-60. Maybe you own some analogs Diva was modeled from and could make some better examples? I compared Diva to my Juno-60 and they're very close. I will post some examples later.. And btw. I think Nord Leads sound horrible and not analog at all

[pdxindy]

It lacks a -lot- in high frequencies compared to Nord Lead 2 or 2X

I'm very glad it does not sound like a Nord since the Nord is not my cup of tea... And of course that is absolutely not its objective to emulate a Nord.

and it is totally okay if you don't like Diva, but it seems as if you are going to make comparisons, compare it to what it is emulating no?

[raikard233]

Comparing Diva's emulation of analog to Nord's VA emulation of analog won't get us anywhere.

Is anywhere mentioned that Nord Lead was analyzed to model DIVA?
Seems not.
So we don't need to go anywhere at all of course! Stop.

[3ee]

Leave Shy alone leave him alone I say! ..

Did everyone missed that Shy was actually quoting someone saying that DIVA's saw sounds like a Nord Lead?

Must be the extra blurb that caused all this..

Now back to the subject which is DIVA!

Is anywhere mentioned that Nord Lead was analyzed to model DIVA?

this thread, page 80

[hakey]

Isn't the Nord Lead known to alias quite badly?

Anyway, as others have said it's a silly strawman comparison. 'It's bad 'cos it don't sound like this old VA synth' - well that's a good job, because that was never the intention!

[olikana]

some guys here just enjoy jumping on others without even reading or comprehending other ppls posts. (fanboy sindrome)
it wasn't Shy to say it sounded like a nordlead (infact it was Stabbman)...Shy just proved it did not.
then he carried on sayin the oscllator sounded muffled and all other the place compared to the nord and his other synths.

i am personally underwhelmed too by the sound of that "3 oscillator" module
but Urs mentioned he modelled it on a particular model D that was given to him (and every model D vco sounds different from unit to unit..)....
so... thats what it is i guess.

i pray there'll be a more standard sounding "3 oscillator section" next where waveforms sit a little better with each other.

i'm enjoying this beta a lot ootherwise and i'm currently just having fun with the 2 oscillators modules for now which seeem to have a more reliable sound to what i'm accustomed.

[hakey]

some guys here just enjoy jumping on others without even reading or comprehending other ppls posts. (fanboy sindrom)
it wasn't Shy to say it sounded like a nordlead (infact it was Stabbman)...Shy just proved it did not.
then he carried on sayin it sounded muffled and all other the place compared to the nord and other his other synths.

Yep, he used the Nord Lead comparison as evidence to support his criticism, thus the responses he got weren't entirely unjustified, whether that was due to 'fanboy sindrom[sic]' or not.

(and I'm unashamedly a fan, oh well, silly me... )