The long DIVA thread

[ariston]

Finally, some dissidence in this harmony fest!

Seriously, some comments just don't warrant an answer. Damn, now I've answered it! Oh well, such is the nature of forums.

Back to playing Diva.

[olikana]

some guys here just enjoy jumping on others without even reading or comprehending other ppls posts. (fanboy sindrom)
it wasn't Shy to say it sounded like a nordlead (infact it was Stabbman)...Shy just proved it did not.
then he carried on sayin it sounded muffled and all other the place compared to the nord and other his other synths.

Ah, but he used the Nord Lead comparison as evidence to support his criticism, thus the responses he got weren't entirely unjustified, whether that was due to 'fanboy sindrom[sic]' or not.

(and I'm unashamedly a fan, oh well, silly me... )

he used a nord example to disprove the claim made by someone else "that the vco sawtooth sounded like the nordlead"
so what other example should he have used ?
then he carried on talking in general terms.

[ksandvik]

It was inevitable that some would compare DIVA to their specific synthesizer. As many know, resistors, capacitors and other analog components age differently. Thus, let's say two Jupiter-8 will not sound the same after 20+ years out there.

Meanwhile, Diva sounds amazingly good for a software synth that emulates analogue circuit synthesizers -- and that's good enough for me. If it sounds good, it is good.

[pdxindy]

some guys here just enjoy jumping on others without even reading or comprehending other ppls posts. (fanboy sindrom)
it wasn't Shy to say it sounded like a nordlead (infact it was Stabbman)...Shy just proved it did not.
then he carried on sayin it sounded muffled and all other the place compared to the nord and other his other synths.

Ah, but he used the Nord Lead comparison as evidence to support his criticism, thus the responses he got weren't entirely unjustified, whether that was due to 'fanboy sindrom[sic]' or not.

(and I'm unashamedly a fan, oh well, silly me... )

he used a nord example to disprove the claim made by someone else "that the vco sawtooth sounded like the nordlead"
so what other example should he have used ?
then he carried on talking in general terms.

so a misunderstanding... good, thread can now carry on without any further mention of the Nord as it has been proven that Diva does not in fact sound like a Nord.

[olikana]

It was inevitable that some would compare DIVA to their specific synthesizer. As many know, resistors, capacitors and other analog components age differently. Thus, let's say two Jupiter-8 will not sound the same after 20+ years out there.
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an intelligent post....and this is even more true for minimoogs (i think urs modelled the "3 oscillator" module on a modelD).

[hakey]

he used a nord example to disprove the claim made by someone else "that the vco sawtooth sounded like the nordlead"
so what other example should he have used ?
then he carried on talking in general terms.

No, much of that general criticism preceded the samples - thus it very much looked like the samples were supporting evidence for that criticism.

[justin3am]

For those who want strict tuning across all voices, I created a template with all the VCO detune trimmers, drift and max detune set to zero.
http://www.3amnoise.net/strict.h2p

[pdxindy]

For those who want strict tuning across all voices, I created a template with all the VCO detune trimmers, drift and max detune set to zero.
http://www.3amnoise.net/strict.h2p

Thanks! (I was lazy... hehehe)

[pdxindy]

latest sound example from Diva

http://draigathar.org/sounds/FBass2.wav

[Kaboom75]

It goes on sale on the 16th Nov does this mean on the 16th it will be packed with hundreds of presets? Or do I have to wait a few months for the finnished version?

[raikard233]

so a misunderstanding... good, thread can now carry on without any further mention of the Nord as it has been proven that Diva does not in fact sound like a Nord.

That's what i meant. Or better, adding that the Nord wasn't a target for DIVA.
I wrote about this after reading Shy statement "I'll just comment that developers should strive for much better results than this."
So far I've never read that Urs & co. analyzed a Nord Lead to emulate Nord's circuits in DIVA, so all this Nord debate, and the focus on developers strive for something that wasn't the target, is useless.
I said something out of this world maybe?

For those who want strict tuning across all voices, I created a template with all the VCO detune trimmers, drift and max detune set to zero.
http://www.3amnoise.net/strict.h2p

Thank you as ever Justin!
ASAP i'll also try your re-saved patches to see if the problem with DIVA audio-kill persists.

[hakey]

I don't feel like again expanding with more examples or explanations or reading that this is such a great emulation modeled on great analog synths that sound just as good as it and worse in some cases. I'll just comment that developers should strive for much better results than this. The progress so far has been insufficient to say the least.

Just suppose that it could be shown that the emulated components within DIVA are indistinguishable (subjectively and/or objectively) from the hardware they're based upon, would your criticism stand?

In other words, are you saying that there are two possibilities: 1. DIVA is a poor emulation; or, in the case of it being a demonstrably perfect emulation, 2. the synths in question weren't worth emulating in the first place?

If not, what are you saying?

[mage2011]

I just tested Diva. It sounds so great but it is so HEAVY CPU that I am afraid I will be able to use it only on bass sounds and my CPU is dual core 2.5Ghz, now come on!

I though ACE was using a lot of CPU but this thing is becoming unusable. Besided I am talking about 'fast' mode, not to speak of 'divine' mode which peaks my CPU sometimes with only one note.

It would be a shame if such a great piece of software synth would not be usable because of this. Are there any options for optimization?

[justin3am]

I don't feel like again expanding with more examples or explanations or reading that this is such a great emulation modeled on great analog synths that sound just as good as it and worse in some cases. I'll just comment that developers should strive for much better results than this. The progress so far has been insufficient to say the least.

Just suppose that it could be shown that the emulated components within DIVA are indistinguishable (subjectively and/or objectively) from the hardware they're based upon, would your criticism stand?

In other words, are you saying that there are two possibilities: 1. DIVA is a poor emulation; or, in the case of it being a demonstrably perfect emulation, 2. the synths in question weren't worth emulating in the first place?

If not, what are you saying?

C'mon hakey! Do we really need to do that here?

[EvilDragon]

Are there any options for optimization?

Urs & co. did everything they could to optimize Diva (save for spreading the voices over multiple cores, so Diva is currently not multicore compatible). The zero-delay filters take a lot of CPU because every sample gets evaluated multiple times before it's actually matched to the expected output. It's what it is - and dualcores are not enough for it. 4 or 8 cores will work much better when multicore voice spreading is enabled. Upgrade to i5, or even better, i7.