The long DIVA thread

[olikana]

For those who want strict tuning across all voices, I created a template with all the VCO detune trimmers, drift and max detune set to zero.
http://www.3amnoise.net/strict.h2p

wow thanks i did not see that section at the bottom! it's very disguised and the highlighted menu can hardly be seen/
i put them all to 0 now.. a lil better without those "trimmers"..but still not 100% happy with that 3 vco module.

[hakey]

Do we really need to do that here?

I guess there is no provable necessity for anything anywhere - why is there something rather than nothing? - my answer is no, nothing is necessary (this post, Shy's post, yours, this full thread included).

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[pdxindy]

I just tested Diva. It sounds so great but it is so HEAVY CPU that I am afraid I will be able to use it only on bass sounds and my CPU is dual core 2.5Ghz, now come on!

I though ACE was using a lot of CPU but this thing is becoming unusable. Besided I am talking about 'fast' mode, not to speak of 'divine' mode which peaks my CPU sometimes with only one note.

It would be a shame if such a great piece of software synth would not be usable because of this. Are there any options for optimization?

I have a 2.8ghz i7... I cannot come close to peaking cpu with 1 note in divine mode.

Don't expect CPU use to change significantly. Diva is what it is. That is the price for this quality. Just as some perspective, people pay a lot of money for monophonic synths. So think of it as a bass/lead mono synth and decide if it worth the money to you. And of course you can always use render to render poly patches.

[Niijaooh]

How are you going with matching Diva with high resonance sounds from the Jupiter?

Comparing Diva with the sounds at http://www.gearslutz.com/board/electron ... jp8v2.html I have had a lot of trouble getting the resonance that CoolColJ gets out of his Jupiter.

If I change the filter type from clean to rough, I get a better result but that filter seems to change things in other ways. Any hints?

Try raising the resonance (turn up ResModDepth) with the modwheel or another cc under the "modifications" tab. It will get you there and further. Don't know if it's suppose to go that far. I never had a jp-8, but my juno-106 had more resonance, than the default max in "rough" mode and modulating resonance helped.

Cheers

[dayjob]

with all the 'modules' u-he is making for various bits of synths it'd be great to see them all as part of a system... unteathered with a bunch of additional modules... sequencers, swithces etc..

From what Urs has said in the past the fixed module format of ACE and Bazille is the only way of keeping CPU levels within reasonable limits for the flexibility and audio quality they deliver (all that audio rate FM going on!).

yeah i guess when the software is linked to a DSP chip that it has total use of then it's like building a ship in a bottle.

but.. i guess if reaktor can be drag and drop until you crush your CPU then why can't there just be the same thing but with a different interface done by u-he or another manufacturer? if tassman gets cleaned up it'll be most of the way there.

But thinking aloud, at some point a flexible, fully modular synth with DIVA-like levels of audio quality might be feasible. How about if someone were to specify a standard platform for virtual synth modules? Software companies could develop and sell modules to that standard, virtual VCO's, VCF's, VCA's, Envelope Generators, Lag Generators etc, that users could buy and assemble into their own bespoke virtual modular synth.

that would be great.

the soniccore (scope) modular works hat way. 3rd party developers making modules ofr it but..... spendy, tied to DSP card, PC only (i think) not the easiest thing to integrate with existing set up or as a plug in. supposed to sound great though.

[pdxindy]

with all the 'modules' u-he is making for various bits of synths it'd be great to see them all as part of a system... unteathered with a bunch of additional modules... sequencers, swithces etc..

From what Urs has said in the past the fixed module format of ACE and Bazille is the only way of keeping CPU levels within reasonable limits for the flexibility and audio quality they deliver (all that audio rate FM going on!).

yeah i guess when the software is linked to a DSP chip that it has total use of then it's like building a ship in a bottle.

but.. i guess if reaktor can be drag and drop until you crush your CPU then why can't there just be the same thing but with a different interface done by u-he or another manufacturer? if tassman gets cleaned up it'll be most of the way there.

Zebra is for me the perfect balance of modular flexibility and ease of use. (I love Tassman but it is too hard to use) But if you are talking about a fully modular system, then the sort of audio rate modulations in ACE or Bazille would be cost (CPU) prohibitive. If I remember correctly, Urs said something like 10x the cpu of ACE for fully modular.

[hakey]

If I remember correctly, Urs said something like 10x the cpu of ACE for fully modular.

Shouldn't be a problem for CPU's in 5 or 6 years time then.

(provided a way can be found to spread the processing across multiple cores - I know, that's where it gets problematic. )

[3ee]

An effect swap button and a serial/parallel effect chain button would sure be useful!

[bmrzycki]

It goes on sale on the 16th Nov does this mean on the 16th it will be packed with hundreds of presets? Or do I have to wait a few months for the finnished version?

I'm sure Howard will be starting on presets for the final release as soon as u-he makes all the necessary tweaks to the sound engine. Until then you can save ~$60 USD by purchasing early. That alone should be reason enough to purchase ASAP.

[Howard]

I'm sure Howard will be starting on presets for the final release as soon as u-he makes all the necessary tweaks to the sound engine. Until then you can save ~$60 USD by purchasing early. That alone should be reason enough to purchase ASAP.

I've already started making some Diva sounds, but I don't want to release them until I've tweaked them to "agree" with the very last release candidate. I reckon the first official version (non-beta) will include a relatively small selection of presets, but many more will be added over the next few months

[bmrzycki]

I'm sure Howard will be starting on presets for the final release as soon as u-he makes all the necessary tweaks to the sound engine. Until then you can save ~$60 USD by purchasing early. That alone should be reason enough to purchase ASAP.

I've already started making some Diva sounds, but I don't want to release them until I've tweaked them to "agree" with the very last release candidate. I reckon the first official version (non-beta) will include a relatively small selection of presets, but many more will be added over the next few months

Also looking forward to the eventual Diva manual and YouTube videos. (no pressure, all in good time!)

[Mogular]

Try raising the resonance (turn up ResModDepth) with the modwheel or another cc under the "modifications" tab. It will get you there and further. Don't know if it's suppose to go that far. I never had a jp-8, but my juno-106 had more resonance, than the default max in "rough" mode and modulating resonance helped.

Cheers

Hey this works really well. The best for me I have found is to modulate it with an envelope so that its movement matches what the cutoff is doing (this eliminates any wierd strange hanging resonances I was getting)

[UncleAge]

I never owned any of the synths discussed in this thread as I spent the last 30+ playing guitar & bass. And as such I may be missing out on a tad bit of the excitement that a lot of you have expressed over finding that piece of software that comes so close to the hardware you already know. However, I gotta say that this is one fine sounding plugin! I guess it's nice that the other stuff came along and that we (I mean they) can mimic those circuits and behavior in software but really for the most part, I wouldn't want all those keyboards around me in my studio. I'd rather work on one or two controllers where I like the feel of the keyboard and I much prefer the offerings that I get "ITB". Seriously, the Zebra/ACE/Diva offerings are pretty powerful and I can't even imagine what they would have cost if fully implemented in hardware.

So from one of the many users that will buy this synth and also has no clue which set of controls mimics whatever synth - BIG thumbs up to the folks @ U-He

Thanks for making another great synth and keeping it within reach of my budget (I hope).

[smilinggoat]

The first post in this thread has a link to the beta, listed as 338. However, the post is dated Nov 17, 2010. Is that the most recent version? Does that link get replaced with new versions or do new versions get added as comments to the original post?

[pdxindy]

The first post in this thread has a link to the beta, listed as 338. However, the post is dated Nov 17, 2010. Is that the most recent version? Does that link get replaced with new versions or do new versions get added as comments to the original post?

the latest beta will be added to the first post on each release